Predator drones

[pominoz]

Bloody hell, I best warn Rascal...

Most that know me think i am a socialist/communist nutcase, but when groups want to blow me and mine to bits, i get a bit uppity.

You are not at risk from Islamic extremists btw. You are more likely to be killed by your local police. Do not worry I can nearly guarantee you won't even be in contact with any Islamic extremists. KEEP CALM YOU ARE NOT AT RISK!

I should imagine that the victims of 7/7, 9/11,Bali, Madrid,Boston all thought the same.
If you agree so much with these guys, why not move to Afghanistan, Yemen, Irag and fight the good fight?

 

[Skashion]

Libya may well have been alright compared to African standards, i doubt that the occupants of flight 103 would give a fuck.

What has that got to do with anything? I'm sure now this topic has cropped up, Prestwich_Blue will be here, but Gaddafi became a western ally before his fall from power so bringing it up like it had something to do with it is utterly wrong. The west only switched sides of Gaddafi because they thought he was losing. Until then, they'd been perfectly happy for British and American companies to profit from Libyan oil.

Blueinsa keeps bringing up Iraq, for god know what reason I don't know, but it's especially absurd in the context of drone strikes. The drone strikes are primarily in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. What do these countries have to do with Iraq? Each of them are over a thousand miles away and separated from Iraq by countries with strong militaries who hate Islamic extremists, or in Iran's case, Sunni extremists.

 

[Josh Blue]

Most that know me think i am a socialist/communist nutcase, but when groups want to blow me and mine to bits, i get a bit uppity.

You are not at risk from Islamic extremists btw. You are more likely to be killed by your local police. Do not worry I can nearly guarantee you won't even be in contact with any Islamic extremists. KEEP CALM YOU ARE NOT AT RISK!

I should imagine that the victims of 7/7, 9/11,Bali, Madrid,Boston all thought the same.
If you agree so much with these guys, why not move to Afghanistan, Yemen, Irag and fight the good fight?

Oh come on man. I disagreed with everything you said but this just isn't credible. Bonkers absolutely bonkers.

 

[pominoz]

Libya may well have been alright compared to African standards, i doubt that the occupants of flight 103 would give a fuck.

What has that got to do with anything? I'm sure now this topic has cropped up, Prestwich_Blue will be here, but Gaddafi became a western ally before his fall from power so bringing it up like it had something to do with it is utterly wrong. The west only switched sides of Gaddafi because they thought he was losing. Until then, they'd been perfectly happy for British and American companies to profit from Libyan oil.

Blueinsa keeps bringing up Iraq, for god know what reason I don't know, but it's especially absurd in the context of drone strikes. The drone strikes are primarily in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. What do these countries have to do with Iraq? Each of them are over a thousand miles away and separated from Iraq by countries with strong militaries who hate Islamic extremists, or in Iran's case, Sunni extremists.

Libya was a terrorist supporting state and yes, oil money was more important than people, some things never change eh?.
My point is that if a country supports terrorism against us, then they get all that is coming to them, drones make the casualties much less than before, sad as it is for the innocent.<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 pm --<br /><br />

You are not at risk from Islamic extremists btw. You are more likely to be killed by your local police. Do not worry I can nearly guarantee you won't even be in contact with any Islamic extremists. KEEP CALM YOU ARE NOT AT RISK!

I should imagine that the victims of 7/7, 9/11,Bali, Madrid,Boston all thought the same.
If you agree so much with these guys, why not move to Afghanistan, Yemen, Irag and fight the good fight?

Oh come on man. I disagreed with everything you said but this just isn't credible. Bonkers absolutely bonkers.

Ok, Josh, how would you deal with this situation?

 

[Josh Blue]

Libya may well have been alright compared to African standards, i doubt that the occupants of flight 103 would give a fuck.

What has that got to do with anything? I'm sure now this topic has cropped up, Prestwich_Blue will be here, but Gaddafi became a western ally before his fall from power so bringing it up like it had something to do with it is utterly wrong. The west only switched sides of Gaddafi because they thought he was losing. Until then, they'd been perfectly happy for British and American companies to profit from Libyan oil.

Blueinsa keeps bringing up Iraq, for god know what reason I don't know, but it's especially absurd in the context of drone strikes. The drone strikes are primarily in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. What do these countries have to do with Iraq? Each of them are over a thousand miles away and separated from Iraq by countries with strong militaries who hate Islamic extremists, or in Iran's case, Sunni extremists.

Libya was a terrorist supporting state and yes, oil money was more important than people, some things never change eh?.
My point is that if a country supports terrorism against us, then they get all that is coming to them, drones make the casualties much less than before, sad as it is for the innocent.

-- Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 pm --

I should imagine that the victims of 7/7, 9/11,Bali, Madrid,Boston all thought the same.
If you agree so much with these guys, why not move to Afghanistan, Yemen, Irag and fight the good fight?

Oh come on man. I disagreed with everything you said but this just isn't credible. Bonkers absolutely bonkers.

Ok, Josh, how would you deal with this situation?

If I was Obama? and by situation do you mean Islamic extremists?

 

[Skashion]

Libya was a terrorist supporting state and yes, oil money was more important than people, some things never change eh?.
My point is that if a country supports terrorism against us, then they get all that is coming to them, drones make the casualties much less than before, sad as it is for the innocent.

Ok, I get it. White civilians die = terrorism. Brown/black civilians die = collateral damage. Cheers for clearing that up for us.

According to recent analysis drone strikes kill up to fifty civilians for every high-level terrorist. Obviously they already know where these people are. So, why don't they extract them? Do you think fifty soldiers would die for every extraction? Honestly. Zero died taking Bin Laden. So why swap fifty dead Pakistanis then? Answer: the lives of white Americans who signed up to die, are worth a lot more than Pakistani civilians. It's absurd to justify it. It is racism, and if you're justifying it, you're justifying racism.

 

[pominoz]

What has that got to do with anything? I'm sure now this topic has cropped up, Prestwich_Blue will be here, but Gaddafi became a western ally before his fall from power so bringing it up like it had something to do with it is utterly wrong. The west only switched sides of Gaddafi because they thought he was losing. Until then, they'd been perfectly happy for British and American companies to profit from Libyan oil.

Blueinsa keeps bringing up Iraq, for god know what reason I don't know, but it's especially absurd in the context of drone strikes. The drone strikes are primarily in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. What do these countries have to do with Iraq? Each of them are over a thousand miles away and separated from Iraq by countries with strong militaries who hate Islamic extremists, or in Iran's case, Sunni extremists.

Libya was a terrorist supporting state and yes, oil money was more important than people, some things never change eh?.
My point is that if a country supports terrorism against us, then they get all that is coming to them, drones make the casualties much less than before, sad as it is for the innocent.

-- Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 pm --

Oh come on man. I disagreed with everything you said but this just isn't credible. Bonkers absolutely bonkers.

Ok, Josh, how would you deal with this situation?

If I was Obama? and by situation do you mean Islamic extremists?

Yes and yes.

 

[Josh Blue]

Libya was a terrorist supporting state and yes, oil money was more important than people, some things never change eh?.
My point is that if a country supports terrorism against us, then they get all that is coming to them, drones make the casualties much less than before, sad as it is for the innocent.

-- Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:30 pm --



Ok, Josh, how would you deal with this situation?

If I was Obama? and by situation do you mean Islamic extremists?

Yes and yes.

Stop funding and training them when it suits (Always going to end badly)

Stop supporting oppressive unelected families like Bahrain.

Impose sanctions on Israel.

Fair prices for oil and minerals in Africa.

No more puppet governments to be placed in the middle east.

Start using oil in home territories instead of taking others.

Raise U.S minimum wage to cope with rising oil prices.

This would be the start...

 

[pominoz]

Libya was a terrorist supporting state and yes, oil money was more important than people, some things never change eh?.
My point is that if a country supports terrorism against us, then they get all that is coming to them, drones make the casualties much less than before, sad as it is for the innocent.

Ok, I get it. White civilians die = terrorism. Brown/black civilians die = collateral damage. Cheers for clearing that up for us.

According to recent analysis drone strikes kill up to fifty civilians for every high-level terrorist. Obviously they already know where these people are. So, why don't they extract them? Do you think fifty soldiers would die for every extraction? Honestly. Zero died taking Bin Laden. So why swap fifty dead Pakistanis then? Answer: the lives of white Americans who signed up to die, are worth a lot more than Pakistani civilians. It's absurd to justify it. It is racism, and if you're justifying it, you're justifying racism.

Do not go down the racist route Skansh, you are better than that, there were many Brown/black civilians in the UK,USA and Aus that were victims.
It is about ideology not race.<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:50 pm --<br /><br />

If I was Obama? and by situation do you mean Islamic extremists?

Yes and yes.

Stop funding and training them when it suits (Always going to end badly)

Stop supporting oppressive unelected families like Bahrain.

Impose sanctions on Israel.

Fair prices for oil and minerals in Africa.

No more puppet governments to be placed in the middle east.

Start using oil in home territories instead of taking others.

Raise U.S minimum wage to cope with rising oil prices.

This would be the start...

I agree with every point, but would it stop the fanatics bombing us for a Islamist world?

 

[rick773]

Most that know me think i am a socialist/communist nutcase, but when groups want to blow me and mine to bits, i get a bit uppity.

You are not at risk from Islamic extremists btw. You are more likely to be killed by your local police. Do not worry I can nearly guarantee you won't even be in contact with any Islamic extremists. KEEP CALM YOU ARE NOT AT RISK!

I should imagine that the victims of 7/7, 9/11,Bali, Madrid,Boston all thought the same.
If you agree so much with these guys, why not move to Afghanistan, Yemen, Irag and fight the good fight?

Are those events the cause of our war or the effect of how terrible the west is towards basically everywhere else? Not to mention I think a lot of people's odd/closed minded views on Islam/Arabs in general probably pushes a lot of non terrorists towards extremism and I can't say I disagree. Don't worry though I'm on the next flight out to get my jihad on