Protesters

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Whilst I agree that the right to peaceful protest should be protected by the law, I can't help thinking a lot of these Extinction Rebellion lot are over privileged yoghurt knitting tw*ts with too much spare time on their hands and f*ck all else to moan about apart from the length of the queue in Waitrose.
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Wow it’s like you know them all personally
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't mean to pick you out in particular, and there's dozens of posts I could have chosen.

But what is this "ruined" you speak of?

I mean "ruined" in the context of our planet, is pretty emotive stuff, right? It's the sort of language which motivates thousands of vegans who know absolutely fuck all about climate science, to camp out in London, causing havoc. Passionately, and emotionally doing everything they can to stop a "catastrophe" about which they have no clue. They watch David Attenborough on TV - who also knows bugger all about it - and conclude we must do something to prevent this catastrophe.

The most pessimistic models show that if we fail to act, then by 2200, 181 years from now, the planet could reach temperatures as high as 7c higher than before the industrial revolution (around 1800), at which time temperatures would stabliise and start to decline. Well these are incredibly high numbers compared to the 2c target agreed upon by world leaders in 2009. But even so, "ruined"? I think we could still grow crops in cheshire if the highest summer temperatures hit the mid 30's, in the year 2200.

And remember the earth's climate is always changing, and in fact has often been hotter than it is now. 55 millon years ago (the "PETM" period), the Earth's temperature rose incredibly quickly, with sea temperatures in the Artic reaching 10c - about 12c higher than they are now. Models show that to achieve the runaway catastrophic effects turning earth into something like Venus, and genuinely "ruining" the planet, we'd have to burn more 10x more than all existing fossil fuels and exhaust them completely.

So the planet isn't going to be "ruined" whatever we do. It's going to be "different", to a lesser of greater degree. Words like "catastrophe" are banded around by people with an axe to grind, seeking to shock people into action.

There is not much doubt that climate change is happening and it is man made. Actually there is *some* doubt. The "97% concensus" figure has been debunked a number of times. It's somewhere above 90% of scientists who believe this, but not necessarily 97%. But putting that to one side, people need to take the emotion out of this an read up on the data and the facts rather than take as gospel, predictions of doom from people who know no better. It doesn't help when for example the BBC has taken a policy decision to not report on any climate-change skeptical commentary or analysis. Nor that the 15 year+ cessation in global warming since 1999, which was not predicted by any models, was barely reported.

Have a read of this, if you're interested:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20151130-how-hot-could-the-earth-get
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Yeah, it's not the climate warming that will destroy us directly, we're not going to burn to a cinder, but the effects of drought in some regions along with the almost certain flooding caused by sea-level rises, especially of low-lying coastal areas is going to lead to the loss of huge areas globally with big populations. The resultant mass migrations and battles over resources and land is what will be the problem for our species.

Nobody can predict what will happen with any certainty but it really doesn't look good, when we (all humans) seem unable to get our shit together as it is. We need to be working together more but look what's happening politically!

The planet will survive, life will survive, humans will survive, civilisation will probably survive, but not IMO as we know it now. Whether you think that's good or bad is a moot point. Some seem to have a kind of puritanical/fatalistic attitude to this, some are terrified, some don't give a fuck, some are worried and a few are trying to do something to mitigate the worst effects and raise awareness. I put myself in the worried camp.

I applaud those that are bringing this to wider attention and those few that are actually doing something about reducing, planning for it. We need more of them.

I used to be very confident that we'd deal with it in a civilised way, but sadly, I'm less optimistic these days.
 
purplenose said:
It seems to me that this country is doing a fair bit to fight climate change. These silly buggers should be protesting in China India or the US amongst other places. Instead they cause a load of nuisance for people just trying to have a normal day. This is before you consider the huge amount of coppers it seems to take to nick the silly sods.
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Spot on.
 
quiet_riot said:
I mean, this was the single most laughable part of your post. In amongst others.

2 degrees rise, aside from anything else, means a large rise in sea levels. Millions of acres of coastal human habitat gone. That drives up population density elsewhere, while reducing the available space for farming and food production.

Tbh, that should be enough of a problem to cause people to care, but as long as we have people like you, who sound exactly like Trump, then yes, ruined is how it will end up.
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He's a fucking zoologist, not an atmospheric physicist, nor climate scientist. Sorry to burst your bubble old pal.

And my post was in reply to the comment that the planet would be "ruined". Some loss of land mass and warmer temps over a century or so is not exactly a catastrophy which "ruins" the planet. It's a manageable change. We may even have collosal carbon sequestration plants in say 50 years, to reverse the whole thing.

Climate change is not something to casually ignore, but it is massively over-hyped
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
You don’t think humans are fucking up the planet?
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Yep. Big time but so are natural causes and disasters and unfortunately we're part of that circle of life. A bunch of fucking idiots preventing decent people from going about their business is not going to prevent that one iota.
 
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Tuearts right boot said:
Yep. Big time but so are natural causes and disasters and unfortunately we're part of that circle of life. A bunch of fucking idiots preventing decent people from going about their business is not going to prevent that one iota.
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You didn’t read that link I sent to you.

Stop being so fucking ignorant whilst sounding so sure of yourself.
 
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