Protesters

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It is estimated that it takes 70 Billion Kilowatt Hours per year to run the internet - Just saying.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christ...oes-it-take-to-run-the-internet/#58cb3d1a1fff

 

[hilts]

It is estimated that it takes 70 Billion Kilowatt Hours per year to run the internet - Just saying.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christ...oes-it-take-to-run-the-internet/#58cb3d1a1fff

An interesting(being kind) but pointless fact

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

An interesting(being kind) but pointless fact

It's not really pointless though.

It perfectly highlights how energy dependant the human race has become. Love it or hate it, the internet is pivotal to the way we live (communication, transport, finance, logistics, energy), and it consumes 70 BILLION Kilowatt Hours.

We can all do our bit to reduce our personal energy use, but it's a drop in the ocean.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Disruption is the only thing that gets things done.

The same was said of the suffragettes, they were seen as trouble causes.

The difference here is these protestors aren’t protesting for their democratic rights, they’re protesting to save humanity and the majority of nature.

This topic goes far beyond Brexit or the right to vote or democracy. We don’t get another go at this once we’ve wrecked this planet.

I feel the right wing elements look at these lot as scruffy lefty hippies, which some definitely are but this discussion transcends left vs right... this is life vs death.

It’s a frustration for those commuting but there won’t be anything to commute to if we don’t do something.

There’s 13 pages on this thread about one set of protests, it’s been over the news all week, politicians are talking about it, BBC 1 did a whole show in prime time on it with Attenborough... these protests have worked to get it in the public eye.

No it’s not. The real issue is that human activity is destroying the planet. As far as I'm concerned, in the scheme of things, they can disrupt to their heart’s content.

Pollution and habitat loss I am concerned about, global warming much less so as it's a natural cycle it's happened in the past it will happen again and i believe mankind is resourceful enough to survive. Have a read about the late glacial loch Lomond Stadial. It happened very quickly, circa <100 years.

 

[mcfc1632]

You need anger management counselling. I was agreeing with you but adding context to where the real issues are on a global scale. All you do is get angry and row on every thread you are on. Go to your local boozer and shout your mouth of if you want a fight

I have been up early and looking at a few threads in the subforum - and this exchange highlights a common trend - obviously most noticeable on the Brexit related threads - of people, you in this case, quite reasonably putting across their view and being shouted down.

Your exchange here is a particularly good example - nothing that you have said can be seen to be extreme or objectionable, just all well-balanced contribution - you are even largely agreeing with the general theme but just, as you say, adding context.

Where this tends to lead is that genuinely balanced Bluemoon posters end up leaving the discussion and the thread(s) become an echo chamber for the 'shouty'.

Anyway, just an observation - apologies for straying off-topic.

Edit to say that bit I have just bolded:

@ Kevin Horlocks Wand - I noticed following the page from where I quoted you that you have made no more contributions. This may be for any number of reasons - or it may be another example of the suggestion that I have just highlighted

 

[mcfc1632]

I’ve repeatedly asked those criticising the protestors what the alternative is to Britain getting itself in order and trying to put pressure on the rest of the world from there.

Not a single one has answered me.

Ban-jani - and I mean this as a genuine piece of advice and genuinely mean it to be helpful

When you do not get a response to your demands for people to account to you for their views - I really do doubt that it is because they are feeling exposed and embarrassed by the weight of your arguments and the shallowness of their own - I think that it is much more likely that your style makes people think - '....can't be arsed with him.'

I know that this can sound condescending - but I genuinely am trying to offer advice with good intention.

You used to be all shouty on the Brexit threads. I remember that you posted that you were making an effort to change your style - and IMO you were successful for quite a while.

I think that you should try again and more generally - you seem to be passionate about a range of issues and that is positive and good for debate - you would surely find more satisfaction from people being bothered to engage with you.

Anyway - please accept that I am being well-intentioned

 

[Jamoid]

I noticed they decided to protest on the warmest days of the year so far and how did they get to London ? I bet they didn’t walk

 

[blueinsa]

When governments instruct business and the corporate world to change then its fair enough to ask ordinary people to take notice.

Until such a time everyone is pissing in the wind and frankly paying for environmental policies that are about as much use as a chocolate fire guard.

 

[mcfc1632]

People only like democracy when it suits their point of view.

Lad in work the other day was crying about the army using them Corbyn pics as a target, so I said isn't that a bit like when the left make effigies of thatcher and set fire to them. All I got back was that she deserved it haha. Can't have a moral point of view and then suddenly ditch it when it's not your side of politics.

Very succinctly summarising so much of what is evidenced on this subforum

And re the 2nd bolded point - it is modus operandi on here for quite a few I would suggest.

From my own POV, I think that both 'sides' (why do all these threads produce 'sides'?) have entirely valid points.

It is indeed a real issue and it will indeed need concerted effort through individual governments and collective governmental structures to address the issue. I also agree that history has shown that it is through effective protests that things get changed and this has often required personal sacrifice and/or group commitment. So, in principle, I agree with people protesting.

But....

This approach of protesting is ill-thought through, insincere and ineffective - just going at soft targets of convenience. As someone said - they should be orchestrating protests in the countries that are the main problem and locally targeting the embassies and businesses of those countries. The UK is taking positive action and is not the problem.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I applaud those that are bringing this to wider attention and those few that are actually doing something about reducing, planning for it. We need more of them.

I used to be very confident that we'd deal with it in a civilised way, but sadly, I'm less optimistic these days.

What REALLY pisses me off though mate is that the hippies camped out in London probably know fuck all about it. Half of them are the same bearded, dungaree-wearing, unemployed, benefits-funded tossers who survive on lentils and camp out at Stonehedge at the equinox. In all seriousness, some of them would have us go back to ploughing with oxen and reviving "industries" like basket-weaving. They're fucking fruit cakes, half of them.