Public sector pay rise

[jaseirai]

Anyhoo...

I found out something interesting today. In around 6 weeks, MFT NHS are going live with a computer system called 'Hive!' (this is known with IT involved staff). I didn't know that this system would make secretaries defunct and with no job in the future.

I hadn't really taken notice of 'Hive!' a year ago, but today I found it cost... £200M across 6 MFT hospitals (Central, Wythenshawe, Withington, Salford, Trafford, Altrincham) for a new IT system.

£200M for a system already causing chaos across the trusts, as far as I know, delivering training problems with people none-the-wiser after being trained as how to progress with this system and that's BEFORE it has its 'teething problems' when it goes live!

It's going to be interesting in the next few months as MFT are stuck with this IT system now!

Is this replacing Lorenzo (clinical records) or Oracle (shared services)?
If it is Lorenzo, secretaries input paper records because there’s not enough licences for clinical staff to do it themselves. It’s a shambles.

 

[halfmist]

Exactly. They've been in power for 12 years. So either they are doing a good job with the economy and can offer a public sector pay rise that compensates for all of the years when the public sector were asked to tighten their belt to "get the economy back on track," or they can't afford it because they've done such a shoddy job over the past 12 years that they've completely fucked the economy and ran out of money.

I think it’s down to the latter, there is no money to pay them.
So it boils down to productivity increases, borrowing, efficiency savings or taxation to fund pay rises.
It may well end up like the private sector where market forces start to determine pay levels.
There is such a shortage in staff numbers in the NHS there will need to be either an increase in pay and conditions or a relaxation in immigration rules to recruit and retain staff.
The NHS is in such a state it’s a massive task for anyone to sort it out.
It will never say it has enough money to function how we would all like to see it function.

 

[blue44]

I think it’s down to the latter, there is no money to pay them.
So it boils down to productivity increases, borrowing, efficiency savings or taxation to fund pay rises.
It may well end up like the private sector where market forces start to determine pay levels.
There is such a shortage in staff numbers in the NHS there will need to be either an increase in pay and conditions or a relaxation in immigration rules to recruit and retain staff.
The NHS is in such a state it’s a massive task for anyone to sort it out.
It will never say it has enough money to function how we would all like to see it function.

to say its in " such a state " is a massive understatement.
i go to work now in a few minutes,and i literally feel sick,my life means fuck all to me now till i walk back in my front door around 6.30pm

 

[halfmist]

to say its in " such a state " is a massive understatement.
i go to work now in a few minutes,and i literally feel sick,my life means fuck all to me now till i walk back in my front door around 6.30pm

Having spent a few days in the local hospital recently, I can quite well believe it.
It’s a job that many just could not do.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Yes and they also pay in around 12% a month into that pension scheme, how much do private sector pay? And you can retire at any age if you save for it. I currently pay nearly 15% a month and I can retire at 53 because of that, I’ve done without for years to be able to do that.

17%

 

[Blue Maverick]

17%

Is that on the 87 scheme or the new one? Either way when you tell people how much you pay in they nearly fall off their seats I’m basically paying the same as my mortgage into a pension, tell that to someone in the private sector and then they quickly shut up.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Is that on the 87 scheme or the new one? Either way when you tell people how much you pay in they nearly fall off their seats I’m basically paying the same as my mortgage into a pension, tell that to someone in the private sector and then they quickly shut up.

Both, the amount paid in hasn't changed, just the amount that comes out at the end, and dramatically so. Agree with the sentiment. Myths abound about it and it plays into peoples existing dislikes anyway. Dont know many who pay £600 a month into their own pensions

 

[Bigga]

Is this replacing Lorenzo (clinical records) or Oracle (shared services)?
If it is Lorenzo, secretaries input paper records because there’s not enough licences for clinical staff to do it themselves. It’s a shambles.

Everything that they think Hive can work with is going in, my friend!

I've, literally, just spoken to another colleague from a different hospital who said his colleagues are asking 'what is there for them to do when the system comes in?'! I didn't even raise the conversation!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[Blue Maverick]

We are getting into dodgy fascist government state now with Tories want to curb trade union powers, are we going back to the 70s we’re trade unionists were jailed! might as well live in fucking China or Russia if we go dow that route.