Bluemoonbaldboy said:Thing is they paid £800 million what £500 million was the original debt meaning they paid £300 million of their "own" money I say "own" as Panorama did indicate they took out huge loans in the USA and only bought you that year. Looking at it to give them a small profit clear off the debt etc anyone is looking at £1.2-£1.3 Billion as a realistic offer. However with the fact they have increased some revenue streams they would want more. Issue is the Glazers have already raided the piggy bank at Old Trafford they had some of the new shirt sponsorship deal upfront. It's no wonder the Knights £1.1 billion offer was always doomed to fail it would take over the £1.5 billion they "turned down" from elsewhere before they are going to consider talking.bumbles said:I agree tick tock...I am counting the days until those vultures leave OT...:)
Question most Utd fans dodge though when asked whats your honest feelings about the whole Rock of Gibraltar incident Fergies spat there with John Magnier. They were red hot tip to buy you out till Fergie dug his feet in over his share of the stud rights.
poyntonblueboy said:i would really like to know where, you get the figures from as you say the rags have always, had the top attendances, i remember many attendance well below the 25,ooo mark the season the scum went down, where was the rags support then
Well you could say that but like most other fans, they have been affected by the recession and the fact that prices have been pushed up relentlessly. I don't doubt some are genuinely not renewing because MUST has asked people not to but I suspect a large number are using that as a convenient excuse.bumbles said:non renewal ..well the facts re that in 2 years ST renewals have declined ...and the FACT that the wating list has disapppeared since 2005 illustrates perfectly the disdain in which MOST united fans view the owners...
No one can argue they have been the most glamorous and successful team of the last 20 years and that's why they attract crowds but you're talking about the 70's and that's not relevant to what's happening today. Now, united fans travel further to home games on average than any other fans and there are less local fans (though Liverpool are a close second). It costs a lot more in real terms to watch football these days and a lot of those people will decide it's not worth the time, cost or effort to watch a team that doesn't win things as consistently. But they will delude themselves and others with the statement that they're doing it for the good of the club.bumbles said:now your second point glory hunters.. I woudl say that glory hunters would be those fans who showed up when success was occuring or imminent, or a team was playing a more succesful one in one off games...
well the season we went down , the attendances were still the highest of ANY division , the seasons when chelsea won the league and all looked bleak..attendances remained the highest...when Liverpool were winning everything and we had the occassional cup run...we still had the higehst attendaces....Its a common slur that other teams try and have a dig ..the fact is when united come to town ...its is invariably the highest attednace for the home team ..funny that .
you were doing well up to this. Tevez cost £25m, whcih was the buyout clause in his contract. The rest was wages but no doubt he's have played for nothing for you. So why pay £25m when you can have the sublime skills and workrate of Berbatov for a paltry £5m more. So Smalling is the new Vidic? You got lucky with Ronaldo but most of the "value" players you've bought still have an awful lot to prove. You've been reduced to gambling in the market on young talent coming good when previously you could buy the best. £90m free cash flow the last two years but ALL of that will have to go to pay off debt and you only made a profit by selling Ronaldo for £80m last financial year. you have to be nervous about the future.bumbles said:third point..value in the market..well thats a fiar commnet...we have very limited funds...why pay 47M for Tevez , when you could pick up the next ronaldo for 12m , the new vidic for 7m , the new evra for 5m etc...
Yes they are but how long ago did you buy them for that? In an era where transfer price inflation has been rampant if they're still only worth £58m then then they've lost a lot of value in real terms.bumbles said:are you honeslty sayi ng Rio and Rooney arent worth the combined £58M
I'll be honest - we'd have been delighted with a Carling Cup win but we've had nothing for so many years whereas you have had trophy after trophy. It's all relative. If I drive a Rolls for years then have to downsize to a Ford Mondeo I won't be happy about it whereas a new Ford Mondeo after a clapped out Mini Metro would be a vast improvement.bumbles said:fourth point ...any season that ends in silverware is a success, surely you can grasp that ...and with a fair wind and less ref/lonesman mistake ( no excuses) we would have won the league.. as for your comments about the derby ..well I think a little retrospective glossing over form you I think..the fact is you had 33% of possesion in the last game and 2 shots oin target.
bumbles said:oh we are back to that again are we...tell me what is the figure today ..
500m,700m, 1.1b, 1.5n ...
there isnt one united fan who would defend the glazers ( not glaziers) ...so your point is?
Ha ha! The majority of rag fans around here have never even heard of Rock of Gibraltar.Question most Utd fans dodge though when asked whats your honest feelings about the whole Rock of Gibraltar incident
Fair play for answering normally get told to "f*$k off"bumbles said:Bluemoonbaldboy said:Question most Utd fans dodge though when asked whats your honest feelings about the whole Rock of Gibraltar incident Fergies spat there with John Magnier. They were red hot tip to buy you out till Fergie dug his feet in over his share of the stud rights.
I will answer it ..it was a complete dogs dinner...however the irish guys NEVER wanted to own united...if you were watching the situation closely at the time ..they continualy put out press release stating that it was an investment and they had no interest in owenership...