Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

[Chris in London]

One and three are clear errors. The second one isn't, regardless of Webb saying he didn’t realise he’d done it. Think that’s why Webb also said he didn’t shout for play on though.

It isn't an error to signal an advantage when you don't mean to?

I think we're done here. Have a good evening, blue.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Fixed

I disagree, as your evidence is negative. It can’t be this way, so it must be this. That won’t win you most cases, would it?

 

[meltonblue]

It isn't an error to signal an advantage when you don't mean to?

I think we're done here. Have a good evening, blue.

No, we’ve been through that already on this thread to the point of providing evidence in our game against Villa of a ref doing exactly that. Signalling advantage doesn’t mean you aren’t waiting for advantage to accrue still.

The guidance for refs up to level three is for refs to signal and vocally say to play on and still bring back advantage if it doesn’t accrue. That was actually written into the laws for all refs to do previously.

Nowadays the recommendation is for levels one to three not to do that. What most do is signal so that players know they’ve acknowledged the foul and then bring it back when it doesn’t accrue.

That’ll also be why Webb mentioned that he didn’t shout for advantage - the guidance for all refs is still to do the hand signal and shout for advantage. When they do that, that tends to be at the end of the wait and see stage.

38 minutes in our game against Villa to give a recent example of it being signalled and brought back. It happens all the time.

 

[cheekybids]

No, we’ve been through that already on this thread to the point of providing evidence in our game against Villa of a ref doing exactly that. Signalling advantage doesn’t mean you aren’t waiting for advantage to accrue still.

The guidance for refs up to level three is for refs to signal and vocally say to play on and still bring back advantage if it doesn’t accrue. That was actually written into the laws for all refs to do previously.

Nowadays the recommendation is for levels one to three not to do that. What most do is signal so that players know they’ve acknowledged the foul and then bring it back when it doesn’t accrue.

That’ll also be why Webb mentioned that he didn’t shout for advantage - the guidance for all refs is still to do the hand signal and shout for advantage. When they do that, that tends to be at the end of the wait and see stage.

38 minutes in our game against Villa to give a recent example of it being signalled and brought back. It happens all the time.

We all said the advantage versus villa was rehearsed before the game. In fact I reckon at PGMOL towers they would have rung a bell as soon as it was done.

 

[meltonblue]

We all said the advantage versus villa was rehearsed before the game. In fact I reckon at PGMOL towers they would have rung a bell as soon as it was done.

Ha! Ok :)

 

[madloaf]

BBC story:

Premier League: Man City vs Spurs referee Simon Hooper 'devastated' by late mistake, says Howard Webb​

He's devastated in the same way we're all devastated by the united result tonight.

Absolute clowns. He did it on purpose and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[Chris in London]

No, we’ve been through that already on this thread to the point of providing evidence in our game against Villa of a ref doing exactly that. Signalling advantage doesn’t mean you aren’t waiting for advantage to accrue still.

The guidance for refs up to level three is for refs to signal and vocally say to play on and still bring back advantage if it doesn’t accrue. That was actually written into the laws for all refs to do previously.

Nowadays the recommendation is for levels one to three not to do that. What most do is signal so that players know they’ve acknowledged the foul and then bring it back when it doesn’t accrue.

That’ll also be why Webb mentioned that he didn’t shout for advantage - the guidance for all refs is still to do the hand signal and shout for advantage. When they do that, that tends to be at the end of the wait and see stage.

38 minutes in our game against Villa to give a recent example of it being signalled and brought back. It happens all the time.

Did the ref in the Villa game not mean to signal advantage either?

is that the hill you want to die on?

 

[Chris in London]

I disagree, as your evidence is negative. It can’t be this way, so it must be this. That won’t win you most cases, would it?

no, it’s a question of the probabilities.

one deliberate decision or three consecutive howlers within 5 seconds

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

no, it’s a question of the probabilities.

one deliberate decision or three consecutive howlers within 5 seconds

Nah, not having that and you wouldn’t use that in court. Totally circumstantial.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

BBC story:

Premier League: Man City vs Spurs referee Simon Hooper 'devastated' by late mistake, says Howard Webb​

He's devastated in the same way we're all devastated by the united result tonight.

Absolute clowns. He did it on purpose and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

If Webb is coming out with that then he’s confirming that this was a directed attempt to manipulate the game.

PL is now scripted for those who don’t want to believe that it’s turned to WWE style, giving them an out. This needs to stop.