Ref Watch

blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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Incompetence is when you get decisions wrong for both sides on a regular basis, not when the decisions all go against the one team.
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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A certain former PL referee was showing off a 25k watch given to him by Fergusson a few years ago. Why did he get that?
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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With respect to your experience as a referee, the PL is a massive income source and there is a lot of external pressure from the tv companies and media to keep the rags and dippers in the spotlight.

I do not believe it is inconceivable that there is corruption or bias shown towards both clubs and that there are many examples of " questionable decisions " going in their favour. Referees at both OT and Liverpool give a number of such decisions which usually are favourable to the home club, so it is difficult to believe that this is always down to " human error ".

Both clubs being successful is an objective clearly desired by the PL as has been previously stated , and so it would hardly be a surprise if bias from certain individuals is not evident .

And can you explain the decision by Tierney not to give a second yellow to Milner yesterday in view of the blatant foul committed on Siva ?
 
BobbyBoy said:
I don't think Sky showed the replay of the ref blowing but I was sure he awarded the free for the foul by Henderson which kind of shoved Silva over Milner. There was a stat a few pages back that some sums up this ref and his employers, no red card since December 2020. All Mike Riley wants is to be left alone, if you want to progress you simply don't make decisions. Stay out of trouble until it blows over and you have Old Trafford next Saturday.

It's not corruption, Sterling is lying in front of the keeper (presumably offside), if its corruption then its not very difficult to get the outcome you want by simply ruling that one out. It's incompetence and cowardice but it all stems from that **** at the top. Look at him? He's a weasel, skinny, small, bald, typical weasel. This thread will reach a million pages unless he's replaced.
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Silva falling over Milner's leg was closer to the schoolyard prank of pushing someone backward with another person kneeling behind them than your suggestion that it was almost accidental. Milner was as complicit as Henderson and should both have had yellow cards.
From what I remember about the offside the attacker has to be in the eyeline of the goalkeeper or interfering with them. Sterling could not be in the 6ft plus Allison's eyeline if he stood erect never mind bending down kissing the turf. Inteferring? Allison had loads of space. And apart from that I have only seen 1 reply but it looks to me as though there is a red shirt near the far post playing Sterling on.
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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I think if a referee cannot officiate in a balanced correct manner regardless of where they are officiating, then they are either bent or should be f#cked off as incompetent.

There is no transparency. A start would be something like Ref Watch on SSN coming out and saying ‘yeah he fucked up’, instead they treat everyone as imbeciles by suggesting the ref was correct when everyone, including dippers, knew he was wrong
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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Blue Llama said:
Silva falling over Milner's leg was closer to the schoolyard prank of pushing someone backward with another person kneeling behind them than your suggestion that it was almost accidental. Milner was as complicit as Henderson and should both have had yellow cards.
From what I remember about the offside the attacker has to be in the eyeline of the goalkeeper or interfering with them. Sterling could not be in the 6ft plus Allison's eyeline if he stood erect never mind bending down kissing the turf. Inteferring? Allison had loads of space. And apart from that I have only seen 1 reply but it looks to me as though there is a red shirt near the far post playing Sterling on.
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I've heard he's a big lad but you're right 6ft would be a bit much.
 
The fact that PGMOL is so secretive and unaccountable and that Riley is head of VAR despite clearly favouring the rags for years and refereeing that game that ended Arsenal's unbeaten run is enough for me to question the integrity of any official that makes utterly bizarre decisions like Tierney did yesterday. Especially now as they have pitch side monitors to check big decisions, and make sure they get the big calls correct, the fact that he didn't even go and check anything says an awful lot.

The fact that he wont get and comeuppance for yesterday also smacks of further incompetence or a cover up ?
 
Lancsblue60 said:
Does anyone else feel we had a number of decisions go against us/ did not get awarded yesterday and is this a sign of what's to come this season? Personally I was amazed that Milner did not see a red, looking in slow motion from another angle Bernardo landed on his head! this could have ended up with him breaking his neck! and also we didn't even get a free kick when Foden was shoved in the box.
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I think your accusations are outrageous - a slur on the best officials in the world, the bestest club in the world and in James Milner a slur on a model of sportsmanship and professionalism.
 
blueandy1mac said:
Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
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So how come they get things wrong at Anfield and Old Trafford more than any other grounds? If they are making mistakes due to crowd pressure then they are not up to the job. There have been far too many decisions in favour of the home teams at those grounds to realistically argue that something is not drastically wrong with refereeing in this country.
 
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Lancsblue60 said:
Does anyone else feel we had a number of decisions go against us/ did not get awarded yesterday and is this a sign of what's to come this season? Personally I was amazed that Milner did not see a red, looking in slow motion from another angle Bernardo landed on his head! this could have ended up with him breaking his neck! and also we didn't even get a free kick when Foden was shoved in the box.
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This is what Liverpool fans meant when they say last season should be asterisked. This season refereeing bias returns as per normal. See also Wolves v Man Utd and their winning goal that should have been disallowed. We'll get the odd decision in our favour this season but nothing like those two clubs.
 
Blue Llama said:
Silva falling over Milner's leg was closer to the schoolyard prank of pushing someone backward with another person kneeling behind them than your suggestion that it was almost accidental. Milner was as complicit as Henderson and should both have had yellow cards.
From what I remember about the offside the attacker has to be in the eyeline of the goalkeeper or interfering with them. Sterling could not be in the 6ft plus Allison's eyeline if he stood erect never mind bending down kissing the turf. Inteferring? Allison had loads of space. And apart from that I have only seen 1 reply but it looks to me as though there is a red shirt near the far post playing Sterling on.
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You're being pedantic, if they were corrupt then flagging Sterling offside is an easy thing to do regardless of the size of Sterling. I bet it wouldn't take me too long to find tonnes of posts saying Lingaard was offside for Utds winner during the week. Both were very similar, players in front of the keeper making themselves as small as possible. Both offside in a technical sense but common sense says neither are actually interfering and should stand. If they were trying to help one side lose they missed an open goal.

That's all assuming Sterling was offside, I haven't seen any side on replays.
 
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