Ref Watch

[Mikejl]

One thing I've noticed is that they're pretty quick to say what they think and it's generally the way they want it to go rather than what it actually should be, almost like they are trying to prompt or influence the decision, it's made me think on more than one occasion that VAR and the commentary team can hear each other at least.

This is always the case and it’s puzzling as they editorialising without the evidence of the replays.

 

[Big Ellens Bell]

Stuart Attwell has indeed refereed Brighton in 5 PL games this season. They have not lost a single one of them.

The results are
Palace 1 - BHA 1
BHA 1 - Liverpool 1
Southampton 1 - BHA 2
Chelsea 0 - BHA 0
BHA 3 - City 2

There are some interesting features of these games.

In the Palace game, with Brighton losing 1-0, 10 minutes of injury time were added, with BHA scoring on the 90 minute mark.

In the Liverpool game, with Liverpool winning 1-0 Brighton were awarded a penalty described by the BBC as 'controversial' after 3 minutes of added time. Brighton had also been awarded a penalty after 20 minutes which they missed with the score still 0-0. Liverpool had two goals ruled out by VAR for offside.

In the Southampton game, with Brighton winning 2-1 Atwell denied a penalty appeal when Kyle Walker-Peters "went to ground." VAR did not overturn the decision. (Sounds familiar for some reason.)

The Chelsea game was the one on the evening that the Superleague started to fall apart.

And we all know what happened on Tuesday.

Shows how corrupt the game has become with refs supplementing their incomes with brown envelopes.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Unsurprisingly refereed Crystal Palace v Brighton, 1-1 draw with a penalty and red card. Fourth official, Lee Mason...penalty awarded?




Brighton 1-1 Liverpool. A last minute Brighton pen for the equaliser. Brighton were awarded 2 penalties, missed one, and Liverpool had 2 goals chalked off by VAR. First pen was a pen, this was the offside call for the first VAR.



2nd one was clearly off. This was the 2nd pen.



Southampton 1-2 Brighton. On the Beeb and nothing of note.

Chelsea 0-0 Brighton. Brighton with a player sent off. Nothing really to note.

Brighton 3-2 City. Enough said.

So really, 3 out of the 5 something was obviously up in, the other 2 not so clear, but the most 2 blatantly obvious games were both on BT Sport.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Unsurprisingly refereed Crystal Palace v Brighton, 1-1 draw with a penalty and red card. Fourth official, Lee Mason...penalty awarded?
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Brighton 1-1 Liverpool. A last minute Brighton pen for the equaliser. Brighton were awarded 2 penalties, missed one, and Liverpool had 2 goals chalked off by VAR. First pen was a pen, this was the offside call for the first VAR.

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2nd one was clearly off. This was the 2nd pen.

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Southampton 1-2 Brighton. On the Beeb and nothing of note.

Chelsea 0-0 Brighton. Brighton with a player sent off. Nothing really to note.

Brighton 3-2 City. Enough said.

So really, 3 out of the 5 something was obviously up in, the other 2 not so clear, but the most 2 blatantly obvious games were both on BT Sport.

I looked back further and he seems to ref them against “big teams” (Chelsea feature a lot) and they invariably get a result. There are also some odd spankings in there too a 0-5 and a 0-3 against the rags, plus plenty of cards (red and yellow). Didn’t go as far to check the corners stats but he may be a Better’s dream of a ref

 

[Mike Cledford]

If he is a total idiot incompetent then there is another explanation. I understand why it cou ld be called cheating but I fail to see whats been gained from a dead rubber match

For me what's more worrying is the near total silence on the refs performance. He could have been cheating but no one looks or investigates!

It wasn't a total silence. One of the two Breakfast reports l heard showed Cavani's goal and mentioned 'some people think it was offside' in the same way he might have said 'some people think the earth is flat'. It didn't show or explain why it might have been offside. The comment was not made at all on the other report.
So that was the only thing that did break the silence out of all the strange happenings on Tuesday night and it was soon removed.
Modern football gets curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Newquayblue]

I disagree. Jesus did nothing to warrant giving away a free kick. There is no way Attwell was about to penalize him.

Watch the replay again, and look at only the Brighton player that fouls Jesus, and his position in relation to the ball. This is a premeditated kick at Jesus, with no intention to play the ball, which was actually nowhere near the Brighton player. This foul alone is worthy of a red card.

Attwell should have given the foul and cautioned or red carded the Brighton player. He raised his whistle to his mouth, but for some reason allowed play to continue.

VAR protocol says that VAR can intervene for the following reasons:



So if Attwell missed the foul on Jesus, Moss should have asked him to review it for a potential red card. Moss should also have recommended a review for the penalty incident at the end, because to not award that was clearly an error.

I think this is as corrupt as it gets.

Definitely not defending Attwell or Moss I absolutely agree with you on that - nor do I think Gabby actually fouled the Brighton player just my opinion on Attwell's intent during that incident. What makes it more infuriating is there's never an iota of acknowledgement, attempts to justify or any reporting of what happens when so many, ridiculously obvious, wrong decisions are made. Surely it must be pointed out to him, and Moss, by someone monitoring reffing performance. It beggars belief if there aren't any form of sanctions for such dreadfully poor officiating and, for the sake of integrity, these should be made public.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Definitely not defending Attwell or Moss I absolutely agree with you on that - nor do I think Gabby actually fouled the Brighton player just my opinion on Attwell's intent during that incident. What makes it more infuriating is there's never an iota of acknowledgement, attempts to justify or any reporting of what happens when so many, ridiculously obvious, wrong decisions are made. Surely it must be pointed out to him, and Moss, by someone monitoring reffing performance. It beggars belief if there aren't any form of sanctions for such dreadfully poor officiating and, for the sake of integrity, these should be made public.

Maybe, just maybe, they didn’t get any sanction, instead getting a pay on the back for enhancing the entertainment value.

 

[Paladin]

Definitely not defending Attwell or Moss I absolutely agree with you on that - nor do I think Gabby actually fouled the Brighton player just my opinion on Attwell's intent during that incident. What makes it more infuriating is there's never an iota of acknowledgement, attempts to justify or any reporting of what happens when so many, ridiculously obvious, wrong decisions are made. Surely it must be pointed out to him, and Moss, by someone monitoring reffing performance. It beggars belief if there aren't any form of sanctions for such dreadfully poor officiating and, for the sake of integrity, these should be made public.

Yeah, rarely do we hear that a referee has been punished for a bad performance. Nothing ever gets said. PGMOL seemingly answers to nobody.

I can live with the odd mistake, but when there are so many incorrect refereeing decisions in one game, all favouring the same team*, and VAR doesn't correct any of them, it smacks of corruption.

I still can't believe that Brighton player kicked out at Jesus in such a reckless and dangerous manner, bringing him down, in full view of Attwell and his nearby assistant, and went completely unpunished. City should ask for an explanation of this from Riley.

*With the acknowledgement that Garcia could easily have given away a penalty, to compound his ineptitude.

 

[blueju]

I completely agree but do you know for sure how foreign leagues deal with such situations in their domestic competions or even other sports when mistakes are made or incidents are not clear?
Mistakes will always happen although with most foreign or rugby refs there will be far fewer.
I will repeat myself saying that in the first year of VAR the refs were absolutely dead against refs themselves going to the screen and having a second look. They are still reluctant to do this.
So what makes these people so powerful they can refuse to implement something like that?

And of course why can the Redshirts get away with still not having a scoreboard so the match going fan can tell what is going on?.

Great point and this is another the media choose to ignore. Not once have I read an article discussing how the two most successful clubs in England, absolutely swilling in money, can get away with not showing replays immediately inside the ground for everyone to see. Who decided everyone else should replay incidents but not these two?

 

[W12]

Have we appealed the Cancelo red card?