Ref Watch

[David Kloppesh]

It is not the major decisions that they get 'wrong' that bugs me the most but the incessant times they blow against us for the minor infringements and don't for the opposition. Indeed some aren't infringements at all. Every single game I watch I believe we are reffed differently. I know people think it is blue bias but I have friends who support other clubs, indeed some who don't support any club, who have agreed.

Anybody who played any football can clearly see that City is reffed differently.

 

[Sheik Battle and Goal]

What should be questioned is why they are getting so many important decisions wrong when they all have the ability now to go to the pitch side monitor and check anything they are not sure about. This is what should be questioned by the PL?! Strangely they are happy with the service they are getting from PGMOL

I’m still baffled why VAR didn’t call the Milner foul as clear and obvious therefore prompting an on screen pitch review.

 

[willipp]

PL refs make ~40k pounds, US football referees (and there are a ton of them per match) make 205k dollars. Think if we paid more for referees we would see a better talent pipeline for accuracy and accountability.

I don't necessarily think exposing referees to criticism by the baying mob is the best solution. Judges are typically given lifetime tenure for a reason. Some amount of insulation from "politics" is better for the smaller teams.

Adding onto this, if we think the big old boys in red are getting favorable treatment now, imagine a world where referees are under direct and formal review by any reviewing body, do we think that this would lead to less favoritism or more for the red teams? I think I have to go with "more" on this one...

Where does that 40k figure come from? I thought they get paid extremely well, more like 100k.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I believe it was £70k at least ten years ago

 

[Chris B]

PL refs make ~40k pounds, US football referees (and there are a ton of them per match) make 205k dollars. Think if we paid more for referees we would see a better talent pipeline for accuracy and accountability.

I don't necessarily think exposing referees to criticism by the baying mob is the best solution. Judges are typically given lifetime tenure for a reason. Some amount of insulation from "politics" is better for the smaller teams.

Adding onto this, if we think the big old boys in red are getting favorable treatment now, imagine a world where referees are under direct and formal review by any reviewing body, do we think that this would lead to less favoritism or more for the red teams? I think I have to go with "more" on this one...

I’m not in favour of a baying mob, there’s more than enough of that already. The reviewing body I had in mind would be more of a professional standards board as we see in medicine, law, etc. Referees working with referees to make better decisions. Not all judgements would need to be public. Just any kind of structure that drives up standards would do.

I think people would respect refs more if they came out and said we’ve reviewed those decisions and think there was an error… “it happened because the ref was unsighted and var couldn’t intervene because it was outside to box”, or whatever. Currently they give the impression of trying to justify whatever they’ve done even if it’s clear there was an error. This is especially true of former refs turned pundits.

In all honesty much of the treatment of referees is a disgrace. Every game sees players aggressively challenging decisions. That doesn’t need to be accepted. It isn’t in other sports. Worst of all some of this attitude filters down to amateur and kids football. I feel like a fresh start is needed to relaunch the whole thing.

If 50% of refs came from overseas then I suspect that would break the back of a lot of the red team bias. I reckon an outsider is more likely to call it how they see it.

On salaries, the £40k is a basic before they’ve refereed a match. They also get £1,150 a game, and of course the best can ref European and international games too, which would probably, at the top, put their earnings above the US figures you quoted. Still, I’ve no problem with that, it’s less in a year than a good few players earn in a week. It might be worth the premier league paying more to get the best talent in, as they do with players, managers, stadiums, even ground staff, etc.

 

[Chris B]

I’m still baffled why VAR didn’t call the Milner foul as clear and obvious therefore prompting an on screen pitch review.

I think the reason is Var can only intervene in four circumstances: penalties, goals, sendings off, or mistaken identity. Crap rules rather than a mistake in implementing them.

 

[Sheik Battle and Goal]

I think the reason is Var can only intervene in four circumstances: penalties, goals, sendings off, or mistaken identity. Crap rules rather than a mistake in implementing them.

Ah ok.. plenty of scope then to carry on cheating

 

[Chris B]

I’m still baffled why VAR didn’t call the Milner foul as clear and obvious therefore prompting an on screen pitch review.

And I should’ve said “direct red cards”, so not just failing to give a second yellow.

For the first one, I assume they decided it was outside the box and there was a Liverpool player who might cover (doubtful, but possible), and so VAR couldn’t intervene (because it would not be penalty or no red card - just a free kick in a good position and a yellow).

On the the last one where he should’ve gone VAR had no grounds to intervene because it was ‘only’ a second yellow decision that should’ve been given and not a direct red card.

 

[crazyg]

£30

Where does that 40k figure come from? I thought they get paid extremely well, more like 100k.

This is perhaps more realistic.
Source: Sport Bible 13/9/2020

Image:
Dean, Michael Oliver and Martin Atkinson all earn a reported £200,000-a-year, according to Sportekz.


Anthony Taylor and Kevin Friend, among others, earn a reported £70,000-a-year.
Lee Mason and Craig Pawson, to name but a few, earn a reported £48,000-a-year.

Referee - Per Match Fees - Salary

Mike Dean - £1,500 - £200,000
Michael Oliver - £1,500 - £200,000
Martin Atkinson - £1,500 - £200,000
Anthony Taylor - £1,500 - £70,000

Kevin Friend - £1,500 - £70,000
Chris Kavanagh - £1,500 - £70,000
Paul Tierney - £1,500 - £70,000
Jonathan Moss - £1,500 - £70,000

Andre Marriner - £1,500 - £70,000
Stuart Atwell - £1,500 - £70,000
Graham Scott - £1,500 - £48,000
Craig Pawson - £1,500 - £48,000
Lee Mason - £1,500 - £48,000
David Coote - £1,500 - £48,000
Simon Harper - £1,500 - £48,000
Peter Bankes - £1,500 - £48,000
Andy Madley - £1,500 - £48,000

It does NOT include (alleged) brown envelope payments.

 

[willipp]

£30

This is perhaps more realistic.
Source: Sport Bible 13/9/2020

Image: Sportekz
Dean, Michael Oliver and Martin Atkinson all earn a reported £200,000-a-year, according to Sportekz.

Image: PA

Image: PA

Anthony Taylor and Kevin Friend, among others, earn a reported £70,000-a-year.
Lee Mason and Craig Pawson, to name but a few, earn a reported £48,000-a-year.

Image: Sportekz
Referee - Per Match Fees - Salary

Mike Dean - £1,500 - £200,000
Michael Oliver - £1,500 - £200,000
Martin Atkinson - £1,500 - £200,000
Anthony Taylor - £1,500 - £70,000

Kevin Friend - £1,500 - £70,000
Chris Kavanagh - £1,500 - £70,000
Paul Tierney - £1,500 - £70,000
Jonathan Moss - £1,500 - £70,000

Andre Marriner - £1,500 - £70,000
Stuart Atwell - £1,500 - £70,000
Graham Scott - £1,500 - £48,000
Craig Pawson - £1,500 - £48,000
Lee Mason - £1,500 - £48,000
David Coote - £1,500 - £48,000
Simon Harper - £1,500 - £48,000
Peter Bankes - £1,500 - £48,000
Andy Madley - £1,500 - £48,000
Featured Image Credit: PA
Topics: Football News, Football, Mike Dean, Premier League, England


It does NOT include (alleged) brown envelope payments.

Yeah that sounds more realistic.