Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

[Gordyola]

This is one of the many, many, many issues with VAR, once the referee has issued a yellow card they can't look at it and overturn it.
In your scenario, the ref would have issued a second yellow and then a red to Lewis, the VAR team would have looked and said there's a possible penalty here you need to review it. Ref goes to the monitor sees he's given the foul the wrong way, issues a yellow and awards the penalty but Lewis still has to leave the pitch as VAR can't change yellow card decisions as far as I know.
We had a similar situation a couple of seasons ago against United. Casemiro goes in two footed on a City player but then rolls around on the floor like he's been shot, the ref obligingly issued a yellow to the City player that was actually fouled and gave United the free kick. Then VAR tell him to delay the restart as they're reviewing a possible red card offence from Casemiro for violent play. At this point the referee knows he's fucked up but the yellow card to the City player and free kick to United stand after and the review, as VAR are only checking the possible red card for Casemiro and nothing else, so Casemiro ends up with no card at all and a free kick as a reward for screaming and rolling about.

The ref would have rescinded the yellow on the basis that the foul was on Lewis

 

[danielwood5]

The ref would have rescinded the yellow on the basis that the foul was on Lewis

How sure are you of that? The yellow card in the Derby wasn't rescinded after VAR confirmed it was Casemiro that fouled the City player. I was always under the impression that VAR interventions couldn't give or rescind yellow cards.

 

[Gordyola]

How sure are you of that? The yellow card in the Derby wasn't rescinded after VAR confirmed it was Casemiro that fouled the City player. I was always under the impression that VAR interventions couldn't give or rescind yellow cards.

They wouldn’t have been looking at the yellow card as such but if the decision on the foul is reversed then the yellow wouldn’t have stood

 

[M23 Citizen]

Yes, ref's make mistakes but what I don't understandand about the situation was why didn't VAR review the incident for a potential penalty. I know they can't look at the issuing of the 2nd yellow but surely that's a foul in the box on Rico.

They will have done.

Lewis went flying and his foot hit the floor first (nowhere near the ball, which was about four foot away by that point) all Chalobah did was kick the ball which landed on top of Lewis’ foot.



I can see why the ref gave a free kick to Palace but for me it should just have been play on.

No need for Chalobah’s cheating by acting like he’d stood on a landmine.

In general the ref was poor today though. Palace were fucking about with their antics all game and he fell for all of it.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This is one of the many, many, many issues with VAR, once the referee has issued a yellow card they can't look at it and overturn it.
In your scenario, the ref would have issued a second yellow and then a red to Lewis, the VAR team would have looked and said there's a possible penalty here you need to review it. Ref goes to the monitor sees he's given the foul the wrong way, issues a yellow and awards the penalty but Lewis still has to leave the pitch as VAR can't change yellow card decisions as far as I know.
We had a similar situation a couple of seasons ago against United. Casemiro goes in two footed on a City player but then rolls around on the floor like he's been shot, the ref obligingly issued a yellow to the City player that was actually fouled and gave United the free kick. Then VAR tell him to delay the restart as they're reviewing a possible red card offence from Casemiro for violent play. At this point the referee knows he's fucked up but the yellow card to the City player and free kick to United stand after and the review, as VAR are only checking the possible red card for Casemiro and nothing else, so Casemiro ends up with no card at all and a free kick as a reward for screaming and rolling about.

The problem you also have is that even if we allowed VAR to check second yellows, we could still be in a situation where someone is wrongly sent off if the first yellow card offence was wrong. So unless you're going to review all yellow cards, it kinda makes sense that they can't review a second yellow only straight reds. Ultimately Lewis was sent off today because he couldn't keep his big mouth shut.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Poorest over seen for a long time, and how big a statement that is! Not just the referee, the whole lot.

Didn't give a blatant offside and let play go on for a corner which they then scored from. Yes our fault for poor marking and not competing, but poor call that heavily influenced the game as surely you bring it back for offside, not play on and give the corner.

Linesman constantly waiting for the ref before indicating which way a thrown in was. What was that all about?

The referee seemed to be trying to man mark our spare player in the middle, constantly in the way and blocking passing lanes better than any palace player. I think if we'd got a penalty he'd have stood in front of the penalty spot for it. Clueless.

Allowed significant time wasting from palace and not a sign of a booking. Allowed palace players to push and shove us all over the place, Nunes literally got shoved over by the corner flag with two hands and he had no interest.

Then the red card. Pathetic, but ok we all get things wrong but where the var? Should have been a penalty check, and var should have been able to ask the referee to review his decision because it was just plain wrong. We suffer now because of it. I can only think var wasn't working today as the alternative is more sinister.

Not the reason we didn't didn't win, but an utterly inept performance where he treated two teams very differently and certainly contributed to the draw.

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The offside was marginal in real-time, but I didn't see a definitive angle, nor lines drawn on pitch.

What irks me is that they spend ages looking for a toenail offside without showing us the evidence, but won't ask the ref to go and look at the monitor for a potential penalty shout for the Lewis incident.

 

[Blue_eyes]

If Ricos red is overturned then it shows how corrupt it is, because the alternative to the foul and second yellow was a potential penalty to us.

I am sure the ref was in communication on his earpiece before he issued the yellow/red. That could only be with the var team.

The wrongful second yellow gave them a way out of a tricky situation, and if they overturn the red, they can say they acted fairly in the end.

Totally bent.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

If Ricos red is overturned then it shows how corrupt it is, because the alternative to the foul and second yellow was a potential penalty to us.

I am sure the ref was in communication on his earpiece before he issued the yellow/red. That could only be with the var team.

The wrongful second yellow gave them a way out of a tricky situation, and if they overturn the red, they can say they acted fairly in the end.

Totally bent.

He can't appeal a yellow card.

 

[meltonblue]

If Ricos red is overturned then it shows how corrupt it is, because the alternative to the foul and second yellow was a potential penalty to us.

I am sure the ref was in communication on his earpiece before he issued the yellow/red. That could only be with the var team.

The wrongful second yellow gave them a way out of a tricky situation, and if they overturn the red, they can say they acted fairly in the end.

Totally bent.

It’s not the only alternative, it can just be it’s a footballing incident and no foul either way, which is personally what I think it was.

He was in communication with his assistants rather than VAR.

Ultimately the question is whether they want to allow VAR to intervene in yellow card decisions. Personally I’m not a fan of it overall as I’d still rather they scrap VAR altogether but given it’s here to stay, I do see an argument for doing it. For those which are first yellows, they can just rescind it at the next break of play and for second yellows follow the protocol they already are doing for red cards.

 

[cleavers]

No media pundits think it was a second yellow...not one.

The Tranmere fan says definately not and that it'll get overturned.

You can't get a yellow overturned.