Refugee crisis

Its not like the ISIS disguising themselves as refugees plot has just been invented in the last few weeks. Last year on BBC news this was highlighted as a credible threat, something the US intelligence agencies discovered.
Not saying its true, or how reliable us "intelligence" agencies are, but it was deemed a threat over a year ago.
 
Its not like the ISIS disguising themselves as refugees plot has just been invented in the last few weeks. Last year on BBC news this was highlighted as a credible threat, something the US intelligence agencies discovered.
Not saying its true, or how reliable us "intelligence" agencies are, but it was deemed a threat over a year ago.

This is correct but does not the current situation invite ISIS to infiltrate? After all ISIS did warn back in February that they would manufacture a mass immigration into Southern Europe and that they would use this to smuggle their terrorists into Europe.

I suspect this is what has happened and I am not at all surprised. I just hope beyond hope we are not going to witness atrocities across Europe because of this!
 
This is correct but does not the current situation invite ISIS to infiltrate? After all ISIS did warn back in February that they would manufacture a mass immigration into Southern Europe and that they would use this to smuggle their terrorists into Europe.

I suspect this is what has happened and I am not at all surprised. I just hope beyond hope we are not going to witness atrocities across Europe because of this!

Yeah, the website you linked to was an extreme right propaganda website, aimed at instilling fear and hatred of anyone "swarthy" in the white populous. You can't view articles like that one to get "facts" or to see a view of what's happening. It's agenda driven in the extreme, each article could basically say "these people are different to us, they will kill you and rape your family, we must hound them down and shoot them all in the head". There is absolutely zero worth in linking to, or bothering to read, this racist, reactionary, hate fuelled bullshit.

What's your solution then? That Britain shuts it's borders to anyone who looks a bit "Muslimy"? We ignore our role in World politics/humanity and leave it up to the rest of Europe to help these people because there might be a very small minority who are intent on doing no good? Lets face it, after 7/7 and the Lee Righby killing, it's not as if ISIS/Al Qaeda need to import mental Muslim extremists is it? There's more than enough potential to radicalise the current population, if the individuals are that way inclined.
 
Yeah, the website you linked to was an extreme right propaganda website, aimed at instilling fear and hatred of anyone "swarthy" in the white populous. You can't view articles like that one to get "facts" or to see a view of what's happening. It's agenda driven in the extreme, each article could basically say "these people are different to us, they will kill you and rape your family, we must hound them down and shoot them all in the head". There is absolutely zero worth in linking to, or bothering to read, this racist, reactionary, hate fuelled bullshit.

What's your solution then? That Britain shuts it's borders to anyone who looks a bit "Muslimy"? We ignore our role in World politics/humanity and leave it up to the rest of Europe to help these people because there might be a very small minority who are intent on doing no good? Lets face it, after 7/7 and the Lee Righby killing, it's not as if ISIS/Al Qaeda need to import mental Muslim extremists is it? There's more than enough potential to radicalise the current population, if the individuals are that way inclined.
Matty, your first question is a brilliant one, and do you know what..... I just don't know, I don't have a clue what can be done to resolve this situation.

My radical side says the world should unite (knowing it never will) and launch a concerted attack against the murderous bastards out there, the trouble is that includes just about everyone living there, which makes the task nigh on impossible. My next thought is for this force to "take" land, secure it and start building the required facilities and infrastructure in their own land, this is probably impractical and expensive.

As much as I don't know what to do, I am equally convinced about what not to do, and that is to allow mass immigration. I appreciate not everyone will agree with this but I'm afraid it's the best I can come up with. I believe we are at severe risk of causing a major imbalance in Europe if the policy is to allow unlimited immigration.... It will be an open goal for the moderate and far right wingers as well as the Euro sceptics.
 
The vast majority of refugees are coming from countries e.g. Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, which were targeted by the West for ‘regime change’ and which experienced bombing/invasion or destabilization by NATO powers and their regional allies. We’re told by the West’s political elite and much of the media that in order to stop the influx of refugees to Europe we need to do more bombing !
If radical Islamist terror groups such as Al-Qaeda and ISIS are such a danger, why are we still trying to topple a government which has been fighting them? Why does UK Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne say that the British Parliament’s refusal to support US-led air-strikes on the Syrian government in 2013 was “one of the worst decisions the House of Commons has ever made” when voting 'Yes' would have put the RAF on the same side as ISIS - a group which claimed responsibility for the killing of 30 British tourists on a beach in Tunisia earlier this summer? Surely if our leaders really wanted to defeat ISIS, they would be working with countries in the region that have a vested interest in defeating ISIS - like the government in Syria - and not working to overthrow them, which would only help ISIS.
 
Matty, your first question is a brilliant one, and do you know what..... I just don't know, I don't have a clue what can be done to resolve this situation.

My radical side says the world should unite (knowing it never will) and launch a concerted attack against the murderous bastards out there, the trouble is that includes just about everyone living there, which makes the task nigh on impossible. My next thought is for this force to "take" land, secure it and start building the required facilities and infrastructure in their own land, this is probably impractical and expensive.

As much as I don't know what to do, I am equally convinced about what not to do, and that is to allow mass immigration. I appreciate not everyone will agree with this but I'm afraid it's the best I can come up with. I believe we are at severe risk of causing a major imbalance in Europe if the policy is to allow unlimited immigration.... It will be an open goal for the moderate and far right wingers as well as the Euro sceptics.

Stopped reading at "that includes just about everyone living there".
 
Stopped reading at "that includes just about everyone living there".
Ok, a point badly made but how do you separate and segregate the government forces in Syria, the ISIS gunmen and the other rebel forces? Like I said I havent a clue.....

Have you any suggestions as to what the end game solution is, and more importantly how to get there?
 
Ok, a point badly made but how do you separate and segregate the government forces in Syria, the ISIS gunmen and the other rebel forces? Like I said I havent a clue.....

Have you any suggestions as to what the end game solution is, and more importantly how to get there?

I was thinking this yesterday, what could the solution be and thought that maybe there just isn't one. Maybe everything is just fucked.
I think the touch paper for the beginning of the end was lit a while ago and this is just another bit of fuel to the fire. We are all doomed, we are hurtling towards certain death and destruction and there is fuck all we can do about it.
Happy Monday everyone!
 
Well that didn't take long. Complete about face and the immediate introduction of interment camps. Got to love gerry.
What do you think they've learned over the last three days that they didn't know last week (but should have).... do you think Angela reads the Bluemoon off topic forum?
 

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