Religion

[arfurclue]

“Exercise: Exploring the Inner Heart
Perhaps you would like to try this. Close your eyes, and let your attention move gradually down toward the inner center behind the breastbone, a few inches to the right of the physical heart. You can start by focusing on the front of your breastbone, about eight finger-widths below the U-shaped bone at the base of your throat. Then, imagine a plumb line dropping from just behind your nostrils into the middle of the chest, behind this spot on the breastbone. Let the breath flow in and out to that spot. Feel and sense the energy there, in the inner body, behind the breastbone. Without judgment, notice how the energy feels there in the heart-center. It might feel soft or prickly, melting or hard. For now, let the inhalation flow from the nostrils down into the heart center, and flow back up from the heart before it passes out through the nostrils.”

“According to most of the great Eastern spiritual traditions, our inner awareness/ energy, or consciousness, is actually a limited, contracted form of the great Awareness/ energy that underlies, creates, and sustains all things. The Upanishads call it Brahman, the Vastness. The sages of Kashmir Shaivism called it Chiti (universal Consciousness), Paramashiva (supreme Auspiciousness), Parama Chaitanya (supreme Consciousness), or Paramatma (supreme Self). The great Shaivite philosopher Abhinavagupta called it Hridaya, the Heart. Physicists today call it the quantum field. In Buddhism it is called the Dharmakaya, the “body” of Truth. And, of course, it is also called God.”

— Meditation for the Love of It: Enjoying Your Own Deepest Experience by Sally Kempton

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[Marklr]

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“Exercise: Exploring the Inner Heart
Perhaps you would like to try this. Close your eyes, and let your attention move gradually down toward the inner center behind the breastbone, a few inches to the right of the physical heart. You can start by focusing on the front of your breastbone, about eight finger-widths below the U-shaped bone at the base of your throat. Then, imagine a plumb line dropping from just behind your nostrils into the middle of the chest, behind this spot on the breastbone. Let the breath flow in and out to that spot. Feel and sense the energy there, in the inner body, behind the breastbone. Without judgment, notice how the energy feels there in the heart-center. It might feel soft or prickly, melting or hard. For now, let the inhalation flow from the nostrils down into the heart center, and flow back up from the heart before it passes out through the nostrils.”

“According to most of the great Eastern spiritual traditions, our inner awareness/ energy, or consciousness, is actually a limited, contracted form of the great Awareness/ energy that underlies, creates, and sustains all things. The Upanishads call it Brahman, the Vastness. The sages of Kashmir Shaivism called it Chiti (universal Consciousness), Paramashiva (supreme Auspiciousness), Parama Chaitanya (supreme Consciousness), or Paramatma (supreme Self). The great Shaivite philosopher Abhinavagupta called it Hridaya, the Heart. Physicists today call it the quantum field. In Buddhism it is called the Dharmakaya, the “body” of Truth. And, of course, it is also called God.”

— Meditation for the Love of It: Enjoying Your Own Deepest Experience by Sally Kempton

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"Energy"? You know when it's all bollocks when people use the word "energy" out of context.

 

[arfurclue]

"Energy"? You know when it's all bollocks when people use the word "energy" out of context.

You are never aware of an expression of energy in a form other than solid matter?
Edit : And you wrote that you want to try ayahuasca?!?! Oh, my fucking word…

 

[Marklr]

You are never aware of an expression of energy in a form other than solid matter?
Edit : And you wrote that you want to try ayahuasca?!?! Oh, my fucking word…

Yeah..people use it wrongly. 'Energy' is a scientific word hijacked by fantasists.

 

[arfurclue]

Yeah..people use it wrongly. 'Energy' is a scientific word hijacked by fantasists.

Energy : Merriam-webster

“Definition

• 1a: dynamic quality//narrative energy
  b: the capacity of acting or being active//intellectual energy
  c: a usually positive spiritual force//the energy flowing through all people
• 2: vigorous exertion of power : EFFORT//investing time and energy
• 3: a fundamental entity of nature that is transferred between parts of a system in the production of physicalchange within the system and usually regarded as the capacity for doing work
• 4:usable power (such as heat or electricity)
  also : the resources for producing such power

Synonyms & Antonyms
Synonyms
beans, bounce, brio, dash, drive, dynamism, esprit, gas, get-up-and-go, ginger, go, gusto, hardihood, juice, life,moxie, oomph, pep, punch, sap, snap, starch, verve, vigor, vim, vinegar, vitality, zing, zip”

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Energy : Merriam-webster

“Definition

• 1a: dynamic quality//narrative energy
  b: the capacity of acting or being active//intellectual energy
  c: a usually positive spiritual force//the energy flowing through all people
• 2: vigorous exertion of power : EFFORT//investing time and energy
• 3: a fundamental entity of nature that is transferred between parts of a system in the production of physicalchange within the system and usually regarded as the capacity for doing work
• 4:usable power (such as heat or electricity)
  also : the resources for producing such power

Synonyms & Antonyms
Synonyms
beans, bounce, brio, dash, drive, dynamism, esprit, gas, get-up-and-go, ginger, go, gusto, hardihood, juice, life,moxie, oomph, pep, punch, sap, snap, starch, verve, vigor, vim, vinegar, vitality, zing, zip”

You can still use it but you need to be precise about what you mean or make it clear that you don't mean to confuse scientific and spiritual meanings.

Energy (esotericism) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not really different than talking about the force, though is it?

 

[Marklr]

Energy : Merriam-webster

“Definition

• 1a: dynamic quality//narrative energy
  b: the capacity of acting or being active//intellectual energy
  c: a usually positive spiritual force//the energy flowing through all people
• 2: vigorous exertion of power : EFFORT//investing time and energy
• 3: a fundamental entity of nature that is transferred between parts of a system in the production of physicalchange within the system and usually regarded as the capacity for doing work
• 4:usable power (such as heat or electricity)
  also : the resources for producing such power

Synonyms & Antonyms
Synonyms
beans, bounce, brio, dash, drive, dynamism, esprit, gas, get-up-and-go, ginger, go, gusto, hardihood, juice, life,moxie, oomph, pep, punch, sap, snap, starch, verve, vigor, vim, vinegar, vitality, zing, zip”

"c: a usually positive spiritual force//the energy flowing through all people"
As we don't have any evidence of any 'spirit', we can easily dismiss this definition as just fantasy. It's used in a meaningless way by people that believe in fantasy.
Even the word "spirituality" is meaningless. What is a "spitrit'?

 

[arfurclue]

None of those definitions describe spiritual energy.

You can still use it but you need to be precise about what you mean or make it clear that you don't mean to confuse scientific and spiritual meanings.

Energy (esotericism) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not really different than talking about the force, though is it?

‘a usually positive spiritual force/the energy flow in gthrouh all people.’

Agree with it or not. But to say someone is a fantasist for using a definition of a word in this way?

 

[Marklr]

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Feel and IMAGINE the SENSATION there, in the inner body, behind the breastbone. Without judgment, notice how the SENSATION feels there in the heart-center. It might feel soft or prickly, melting or hard. For now, let the inhalation flow from the nostrils down into the heart center, and flow back up from the heart before it passes out through the nostrils.”

That makes more sense.

 

[arfurclue]

That makes more sense.

So you’re arguing about the use of terminology? And what does the sensation arise from? I’d be really curious to speak to you if did choose to take ayahuasca, because I’m pretty sure you would come at this question in a different way. But another way might be just to see how deeply relaxed one can become - without a toke or two or just falling asleep - and then see what comes as one moves into that awareness. And then ask what words one can use to describe it. Or don’t…

Edit : my guess is that this won’t be your kind of thing but if you were interested then you might ask yourself how you could relax into the awareness of a palpable sensation of beauty.