Return of Supporters

didsburyblu said:
I'm in 93.20 and have been going for nigh on 30 years but I shouldn't take priority over other Seasoncard holders?
I actually am in no rush to go back personally but not sure why your lumping tunnel club and 93.20 together cos there a million miles apart in terms of cost and benefits.
I assume your aware that the benefits of 93.20 are limited to a padded seat and a match programme?
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You do also get bars and food outlets where you can actually get served comparatively quickly and efficiently Tbf
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm working with the club on this and have been doing for the last few weeks, via City Matters. There's a 90 page document been sent to all clubs by the SGSA, which has been agreed by the DCMS, the SGSA and other relevant parties. It's on their website & sets out guidelines for getting fans back into games. It specifically states that tickets can't be passed on outside your social bubble and that the club has to have contact details for anyone attending. I think most would see that as reasonable under the current circumstances.

So it's got to be that the perosn who turns up is the person the club is expecting to turn up. But the club can't be expected to know who's in everyone else's bubble, unless they're at the same address of course. So they have to apply a set of rules that may seem unnecessarily restrictive but ensure that they're meeting the licensing conditions for re-opening the ground and are easy to enforce. Because people will take the piss otherwise.
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Thank you kindly for your post. Its most helpful to be able to communicate with you and agree what you say about being reasonable.
I had already found the SGSA guidelines and i cannot find any restriction such as the club is stating that only the registered cardholders can use the seat. The SGSA guidelines require track and tracing but allow booking for others within the social bubble as you have stated.
The existing MCFC club terms and conditions for family group provide precisely the requirements needed.
We have to register the person concerned and they have to be a member. The member details then need to be up to date, which has been requested from cityzens.
You can insist that they must be also be from the same household address to comply with SGSA. People have to accept that. Its justified by referring to the SGSA guidelines.
All that then needs adding is a system of notifying mancity of the person that will be attending the matches and must be the person who turns up. as you rightly say above.
This is no difference from allowing any Cityzens to buy tickets that would have to be declared on a match basis.
There will need to be a system of notifying the club for who will attend.
My older brother has the same household and is registered as a cityzen with details up to date. I have registered him as family group with my seasoncard. Then why should he not be allowed to declare and use my seat when I am out of country.
Grateful if you can get these points considered in your assessment thanks.
 
joegill said:
Thank you kindly for your post. Its most helpful to be able to communicate with you and agree what you say about being reasonable.
I had already found the SGSA guidelines and i cannot find any restriction such as the club is stating that only the registered cardholders can use the seat. The SGSA guidelines require track and tracing but allow booking for others within the social bubble as you have stated.
The existing MCFC club terms and conditions for family group provide precisely the requirements needed.
We have to register the person concerned and they have to be a member. The member details then need to be up to date, which has been requested from cityzens.
You can insist that they must be also be from the same household address to comply with SGSA. People have to accept that. Its justified by referring to the SGSA guidelines.
All that then needs adding is a system of notifying mancity of the person that will be attending the matches and must be the person who turns up. as you rightly say above.
This is no difference from allowing any Cityzens to buy tickets that would have to be declared on a match basis.
There will need to be a system of notifying the club for who will attend.
My older brother has the same household and is registered as a cityzen with details up to date. I have registered him as family group with my seasoncard. Then why should he not be allowed to declare and use my seat when I am out of country.
Grateful if you can get these points considered in your assessment thanks.
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As I said, we're talking to the club about how we deal with families in the same household. That is, where the tickets are registered to the same address. But you simply cannot expect the club to work out who is in everyone's social bubble. So I'm hopeful there will be some solution, but there's probably no way that people who don't have the same address will be able to use tickets that aren't in their own name.

This is a difficult situation and the club has to abide by the guidelines because a few selfish idiots, who think they know better, might cause the ground to be closed and us to suffer other sanctions. So it's understandable if they take a strict intepretation of the rules. And with tickets being scarce, they have to also guard against people selling tickets via the Facebook pages and other methods. That's completely unfair to those who miss out. They have said that the person named on the ticket must be the one who attends. But we haven't quite worked out how you get your name on a ticket.

And if you're quoting the seasoncard terms and conditions at the club, then I'd suggest that unless you've got their permission every time your brother has used your ticket, they might quote the ones you've not been abiding by right back at you.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
As I said, we're talking to the club about how we deal with families in the same household. That is, where the tickets are registered to the same address. But you simply cannot expect the club to work out who is in everyone's social bubble.
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as i've said before i doubt me and mum will be trying to go next season, but reading this i think i've shot myself in the foot *if* we did want to go at some point (doubtful, it's not safe for her, i'm not great health either!), as i updated my details to not have me and mum at the same address anymore. I moved out when i had my little boy in 2016 but always kept the address the same with city (mainly as the letterbox is so small season ticket boxes wouldn't fit through and i do not trust the neighbours!). So i updated it last week, as in case i need ID it needed to match my bank etc.
But now me and mum wouldn't count as the same household! :( Even though i live 3 minutes walk away, and she lives isolated on her own at 77 and i'm her "bubble" (in this lovely town we call Rochdale... where no bugger seems to follow the rules except me and my family.)

Not a dig at anyone, just me thinking out loud i guess. City will probably view us as not from eth same household. And i guess techincally we're not. But we feel that we are. 41 years i lived with my mum in the same house she moved into 2 weeks before i was born, and now i'm 3 minutes walk away, looking after her, being her support, her life.

And thanks for all the info PB, i know you're doing your best.

I know that most of us don't fancy going next season. But skip to a trophy lift next May and i expect many to think "well maybe it's safe now"! ;)
 
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