Rishi Sunak

[Octavian]

That's cheap. People have pointed out that Sunak was following other countries lead when he introduced furlough, it wasn't any more generous than other comparable countries, and as I've explained, he was a voice in cabinet arguing for less, not more.

My argument is that Boris could take more credit for the generosity of the schemes, so hardly an anti-Tory argument.

No he wasn’t, he owned the furlough in Cabinet.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It was above and beyond what Labour were calling for. But as this is Bluemoon, I guess there’s no point apportioning credit where it’s due.

Let’s just call him a rich **** and be done with it. That’s the level of political discourse around here.

Good to see you trying to elevate the level of debate then.

 

[bluenova]

Osbourne pushed austerity in crisis, Sunak didn’t, he gave handouts.

Even Trump was desperate to have his name on covid handouts. Osborne would have done the same - just as every western country did.

Sunak may be more orthodox than Truss, but he's made it very clear throughout his political career that he's a full-on neoliberal, on the right of the Tory party economically. It's not a coincidence that Osborne has started popping up all over the place recently, and I expect that "tough choices" will be the mantra from now on.

No he wasn’t, he owned the furlough in Cabinet.

And yet he had to deny rumours that he threatened to quit if the country went into lockdown. Rumours that it's been suggested he may have started himself, as he's since been accused this Summer of rewriting history by just about everyone in the cabinet, when he said he was the lone voice arguing against lockdowns.

Given that he's pretty much the only person from the cabinet at that time arguing the govt overreacted, it seems odd to think he was the most enthusiastic and generous supporter of a scheme to keep people off work and at home.

 

[Octavian]

Even Trump was desperate to have his name on covid handouts. Osborne would have done the same - just as every western country did.

Sunak may be more orthodox than Truss, but he's made it very clear throughout his political career that he's a full-on neoliberal, on the right of the Tory party economically. It's not a coincidence that Osborne has started popping up all over the place recently, and I expect that "tough choices" will be the mantra from now on.


And yet he had to deny rumours that he threatened to quit if the country went into lockdown. Rumours that it's been suggested he may have started himself, as he's since been accused this Summer of rewriting history by just about everyone in the cabinet, when he said he was the lone voice arguing against lockdowns.

Given that he's pretty much the only person from the cabinet at that time arguing the govt overreacted, it seems odd to think he was the most enthusiastic and generous supporter of a scheme to keep people off work and at home.

This whole post doesn’t read as believable sorry, it just seems to be hunches and presumptions you have and rumours rather than anything substantial.

You even managed to get Donald Trump in there somehow.

 

[bluenova]

This whole post doesn’t read as believable sorry, it just seems to be hunches and presumptions you have and rumours rather than anything substantial.

You even managed to get Donald Trump in there somehow.

There has been a huge amount written about the covid lockdowns and I've not seen a single source suggesting Sunak was the voice of generosity in cabinet. I mentioned Trump because that's how ridiculous it is to give any western politician credit for a furlough scheme.

Here's Nigel Lawson's son discussing how Sunak is truly right wing (and with added details about Sunak being desperate to stop lockdowns).

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak is the real Right-winger

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak warned presciently that a policy of massive unfunded tax cuts would cause interest rates to spike upwards, to the great cost of mortgage holders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Here's one of the stories from this Summer about his own claims to have been the lone voice in cabinet.

Rishi Sunak faces backlash over lockdown criticism as claims branded 'dangerous rubbish'

Sunak said it was "wrong to empower" scientists and that he was gagged from talking about the negative impact of draconian restrictions - but scientists and No 10 insiders have dismissed the claims.

news.sky.com

Are we really to believe that despite being "the lone voice" trying to stop the govt going too far with lockdowns, he was also the biggest advocate of furlough being as generous as possible? That would seem odd from someone who, even after 12 years of the Tories tightening rules for benefit claimants, still believes that we need to be "much tougher on our welfare system to get people off benefits and into work."

 

[Octavian]

There has been a huge amount written about the covid lockdowns and I've not seen a single source suggesting Sunak was the voice of generosity in cabinet. I mentioned Trump because that's how ridiculous it is to give any western politician credit for a furlough scheme.

Here's Nigel Lawson's son discussing how Sunak is truly right wing (and with added details about Sunak being desperate to stop lockdowns).

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak is the real Right-winger

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak warned presciently that a policy of massive unfunded tax cuts would cause interest rates to spike upwards, to the great cost of mortgage holders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Here's one of the stories from this Summer about his own claims to have been the lone voice in cabinet.

Rishi Sunak faces backlash over lockdown criticism as claims branded 'dangerous rubbish'

Sunak said it was "wrong to empower" scientists and that he was gagged from talking about the negative impact of draconian restrictions - but scientists and No 10 insiders have dismissed the claims.

news.sky.com

Are we really to believe that despite being "the lone voice" trying to stop the govt going too far with lockdowns, he was also the biggest advocate of furlough being as generous as possible? That would seem odd from someone who, even after 12 years of the Tories tightening rules for benefit claimants, still believes that we need to be "much tougher on our welfare system to get people off benefits and into work."

Have to you read the full articles?

It states that Sunak was against lockdowns for Omicron late 2021 and he was a lone voice saying the scientists were overdoing their predictions.

And guess what?

He was fucking right wasn’t he.

We didn’t lockdown and it proved beyond doubt to be the right decision.

This was over a year after the original lockdown, which he wasn’t against, he was brand new in the job and his first big announcement was the furlough scheme.

If it wasn’t his baby, who’s was it?

The reason your Trump comparison was silly is because it was Sunak’s specific job to decide on a financial package, with the Premier then signing it off. Trump wasn’t the equivalent of Sunak was he?

 

[Corky]

No he wasn’t, he owned the furlough in Cabinet.

His Job Support Scheme was soon scrapped as well as being badly flawed.

 

[Don Karleone]

Probably needs a thread name change now

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The Penny has dropped and Mourdant has withdrawn.

I, for one, welcome our new Tory Overlord, Rishi Sunak.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Democracy in action.