robin van persie (continued)

[dctid]

Wenger would obviously not want to lose another player to city and because of that we will have to pay a city premium but I think it is wrong to say he would prefer to sell him to the rags.

The battle for the top four (or three as this year) will be as tough as it has ever been with Chelsea looking much stronger so the last thing Wenger would want to do is strengthen another competitor, and allowing his best player to go to them rather than us just to spite us is a non starter imo.

His best position would be to sell him abroad so if he doesnt take our money he will not take any lower amount from anyone in the Premier League.

I have said it before, and the papers have also said it this week, I still believe Van Persie will do a Rooney and get promises from the club about the future and re-sign for them.

I agree he would prefer toi punt him overseas but if he wantrs to stay in the prem and its a straight choice rags or us - Wenger will go Rags all day long

 

[kenzie115]

I just love the way newspapers make out United can sign players for less money.

Mail on Sunday claiming Van Persie will go to either city or united. City will bid £30m but they will accept utd bid of less.

This on back of Moura having bid rejected of £32.4m from chelsea yet united can get him for £20m. again the mail.

funny

In view of the bad blood between Le Arse and ourselves then providing that the rags bid somewhere near us then i think they will accept the rag bid even if it means they will lose out on a few million

Le Arse bought RvP for about 2.5 million - what ever they sell him for say 30 million from City or 28 Million from the rags the are quids in

Ha! You think we're going to pay £30m for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract with a dodgy injury record? Try halving your prices.

 

[Marvin]

I just love the way newspapers make out United can sign players for less money.

Mail on Sunday claiming Van Persie will go to either city or united. City will bid £30m but they will accept utd bid of less.

This on back of Moura having bid rejected of £32.4m from chelsea yet united can get him for £20m. again the mail.

funny

In view of the bad blood between Le Arse and ourselves then providing that the rags bid somewhere near us then i think they will accept the rag bid even if it means they will lose out on a few million

Le Arse bought RvP for about 2.5 million - what ever they sell him for say 30 million from City or 28 Million from the rags the are quids in

Ha! You think we're going to pay £30m for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract with a dodgy injury record? Try halving your prices.

£28m - that made me laugh

 

[The Future's Blue]

I'm a big Tevez fan, was one of those clamouring for his return after Munichgate, but if we get offered circa £25m we have to take it.

Tevez has got one more season in him before he reverts to being a midfielder. His pace and energy will start to diminish soon, and he'll be half the player without that.

Is he better than RvP? For me, yes. But we might get three good years out of him (injuries permitting!) while Tevez has just the one left in him.

I also suspect Tevez can buy himself out of his City contract next season, so financially it's a deal we can't dismiss.

I agree that if a big offer comes in and he isn't prepared to sign a new contract then we should bite their hands off in the current climate. The stumbling block will always be his wages and there won't be many, if any, who are prepared to meet his demands. During his proposed move to Milan in January the only way he could go was if Milan got him on the cheap as they weren't prepared to pay his wages, never mind a transfer fee.

What's also got to be factored in is that Tevez' wages do not impact on FFP and basically the Sheikh can pay it from his own pocket, whereas RvP will be factored into FFP. RvPs rumoured wage would be similar to Carlos' rumoured wage (I say rumoured because I think it's bullshit) and what sell on price would RvP hold once he's in his mid-thirties; probably exactly the same as Carlos in a years time. From a business sense and a footballing point of view Carlos has got to be the man if there was actually a choice. It's a no brainer.

On another note, what I don't get is your comparison with RvP and Tevez' playing time. Carlos is a year younger and had a near injury free career. RvP has been consistently injured yet you say he has a better outlook. The truth is that you can never tell what's around the corner but out of the 2 you'd have to predict that Tevez has got the longer time in the game and if that means him dropping into an attacking midfield player then I'm certain he would be just as prolific.

I suppose it's all about opinions though.

 

[Marvin]

I'm a big Tevez fan, was one of those clamouring for his return after Munichgate, but if we get offered circa £25m we have to take it.

Tevez has got one more season in him before he reverts to being a midfielder. His pace and energy will start to diminish soon, and he'll be half the player without that.

Is he better than RvP? For me, yes. But we might get three good years out of him (injuries permitting!) while Tevez has just the one left in him.

I also suspect Tevez can buy himself out of his City contract next season, so financially it's a deal we can't dismiss.

I agree that if a big offer comes in and he isn't prepared to sign a new contract then we should bite their hands off in the current climate. The stumbling block will always be his wages and there won't be many, if any, who are prepared to meet his demands. During his proposed move to Milan in January the only way he could go was if Milan got him on the cheap as they weren't prepared to pay his wages, never mind a transfer fee.

What's also got to be factored in is that Tevez' wages do not impact on FFP and basically the Sheikh can pay it from his own pocket, whereas RvP will be factored into FFP. RvPs rumoured wage would be similar to Carlos' rumoured wage (I say rumoured because I think it's bullshit) and what sell on price would RvP hold once he's in his mid-thirties; probably exactly the same as Carlos in a years time. From a business sense and a footballing point of view Carlos has got to be the man if there was actually a choice. It's a no brainer.

On another note, what I don't get is your comparison with RvP and Tevez' playing time. Carlos is a year younger and had a near injury free career. RvP has been consistently injured yet you say he has a better outlook. The truth is that you can never tell what's around the corner but out of the 2 you'd have to predict that Tevez has got the longer time in the game and if that means him dropping into an attacking midfield player then I'm certain he would be just as prolific.

I suppose it's all about opinions though.

tevez is 28, and his game is not about pace. Energy yes, but that doesn't go even at 32. I agree he's very likely to return to South America when his contract expires, but we need to defend our title this season

 

[oakiecokie]

Cant see that the Rags would want RVP when they appear to have a straight run with young Eriksson from Ajax for £20M.

 

[The Future's Blue]

I'm a big Tevez fan, was one of those clamouring for his return after Munichgate, but if we get offered circa £25m we have to take it.

Tevez has got one more season in him before he reverts to being a midfielder. His pace and energy will start to diminish soon, and he'll be half the player without that.

Is he better than RvP? For me, yes. But we might get three good years out of him (injuries permitting!) while Tevez has just the one left in him.

I also suspect Tevez can buy himself out of his City contract next season, so financially it's a deal we can't dismiss.

I agree that if a big offer comes in and he isn't prepared to sign a new contract then we should bite their hands off in the current climate. The stumbling block will always be his wages and there won't be many, if any, who are prepared to meet his demands. During his proposed move to Milan in January the only way he could go was if Milan got him on the cheap as they weren't prepared to pay his wages, never mind a transfer fee.

What's also got to be factored in is that Tevez' wages do not impact on FFP and basically the Sheikh can pay it from his own pocket, whereas RvP will be factored into FFP. RvPs rumoured wage would be similar to Carlos' rumoured wage (I say rumoured because I think it's bullshit) and what sell on price would RvP hold once he's in his mid-thirties; probably exactly the same as Carlos in a years time. From a business sense and a footballing point of view Carlos has got to be the man if there was actually a choice. It's a no brainer.

On another note, what I don't get is your comparison with RvP and Tevez' playing time. Carlos is a year younger and had a near injury free career. RvP has been consistently injured yet you say he has a better outlook. The truth is that you can never tell what's around the corner but out of the 2 you'd have to predict that Tevez has got the longer time in the game and if that means him dropping into an attacking midfield player then I'm certain he would be just as prolific.

I suppose it's all about opinions though.

tevez is 28, and his game is not about pace. Energy yes, but that doesn't go even at 32. I agree he's very likely to return to South America when his contract expires, but we need to defend our title this season

To summarise, it would be very difficult for Carlos to go anywhere but if a huge sum came in and he wanted to leave then that's the best for all parties concerned.

Personally, I think he's going nowhere as he has more to offer than anybody we could bring in. Also, when people talk about Kia doing his dealings, don't people also realise that he has failed on a number of occassions to realise a move and Carlos might have got a bit wise to him? We know the club sure have.

Just saying.

 

[southern muppet]

Are we POSITIVE that Tevez has not renewed his contract with us at any point? Because if he did and it was after June 2010, his wages from then on would count towards FFP

 

[Inzi]

Are we POSITIVE that Tevez has not renewed his contract with us at any point? Because if he did and it was after June 2010, his wages from then on would count towards FFP

100% yes. he has not renewed his contract

 

[BlueAnorak]

I really can't see why we are even contemplating the purchase of RVP - he's 29 when the season starts and, aside from last season, he has a crap injury record. Any money spent on him is dead money as there is very little resale value which simply doesn't help City complying with FFP.

Lets look at our 4 strikers:

Balotelli (22 this season) - Can only get better. Do not under any circumstances sell.

Aguero (24 this season) - As good strikers are normally better in the their second season in a league, Aguero will probably have one hell of a season this term. Do not under any circumstances sell.

Dzeko (27 this season) - A good few on here think he is relatively 'poor'. But when you see the number of vital goals he scored for us last season he quite clearly performs under pressure. Such players are rare and I believe it would be a grave mistake to sell him. Unless a better player could be brought in in his place.

Tevez (29 this season) - He is a great player but his agent does him no favours. With 2 years reaming on his contract Tevez - his value is on the wain so in reality we should resign or sell him this summer. His big bonus is that his wages don't count towards FFP till 2014.

As RVP has no resale value, one can only conclude that only a young striker (e.g. Neymar 21 this season) or a mid 20's stiker (e.g. Cavani - 26 this season or Falcao - 27 this sasson) would hold there value. Any strikers brought in would also have to be better than what we have - which is difficult.