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Marvin said:Annoys me whenever I read blues criticising Savic. We used to give our young players time and support.
I remember a couple of years ago the witch-hunt on here with Richards!
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Marvin said:Annoys me whenever I read blues criticising Savic. We used to give our young players time and support.
That was when we weren't expected to win every week.
rastus
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Please god we dont get RVP, Amen
Soulboy said:hgblue said:Soulboy said:No cover for Kompany? Kolo, Savic and Richards spring to mind, with Rekik for the Carling Cup games. Yaya? I do think we need to prioritise a midfielder, but even so we still have de Jong and Milner in reserve. And Razak, Suarez for the Carling Cup.
We are not down to bare bones. Chill.
I'm chilled mate, but if I were the manager charged with defending the title and having a serious attempt at the Champions League, I'd want better cover for Kompany than Kolo or Savic, and better cover for Yaya than Milner or De Jong (Martinez would be perfect because he'd kill two birds with one stone). I'd also want to sign a top striker like RVP should he be available, and I'd be prepared to sacrifice Dzeko to get him. Standing still is rarely a wise option if you're sights are set high.
You might not rate the players I've mentioned but clearly the manager does. And I'd go with that at the moment.
And you don't mind Balotelli becoming our 4th. choice striker? You are getting spoiled mate!
I'm sure we will strengthen, I just don't understand the panic on here with it all.
I'm not panicking or spoilt, just discussing where I feel we need to strengthen, and whether we should sign a top quality player like RVP if he is available. You mention Mancini, but I'd speculate that his views are closer to mine than yours......
hgblue said:Soulboy said:hgblue said:I'm chilled mate, but if I were the manager charged with defending the title and having a serious attempt at the Champions League, I'd want better cover for Kompany than Kolo or Savic, and better cover for Yaya than Milner or De Jong (Martinez would be perfect because he'd kill two birds with one stone). I'd also want to sign a top striker like RVP should he be available, and I'd be prepared to sacrifice Dzeko to get him. Standing still is rarely a wise option if you're sights are set high.
You might not rate the players I've mentioned but clearly the manager does. And I'd go with that at the moment.
And you don't mind Balotelli becoming our 4th. choice striker? You are getting spoiled mate!
I'm sure we will strengthen, I just don't understand the panic on here with it all.
I'm not panicking or spoilt, just discussing where I feel we need to strengthen, and whether we should sign a top quality player like RVP if he is available. You mention Mancini, but I'd speculate that his views are closer to mine than yours......
Well if you know Mancini better than me, I'm outta here!
No point taking this any further if you've got the inside track...
;-))
Marvin said:Annoys me whenever I read blues criticising Savic. We used to give our young players time and support.
I'm not criticising the lad. Just don't think he's ready yet to step into Kompany's shoes if he were to (god forbid) pick up a long term injury.<br /><br />-- Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:14 pm --<br /><br />
Soulboy said:hgblue said:Soulboy said:You might not rate the players I've mentioned but clearly the manager does. And I'd go with that at the moment.
And you don't mind Balotelli becoming our 4th. choice striker? You are getting spoiled mate!
I'm sure we will strengthen, I just don't understand the panic on here with it all.
I'm not panicking or spoilt, just discussing where I feel we need to strengthen, and whether we should sign a top quality player like RVP if he is available. You mention Mancini, but I'd speculate that his views are closer to mine than yours......
Well if you know Mancini better than me, I'm outta here!
No point taking this any further if you've got the inside track...
;-))
You do know what the word speculate means don't you? ;)
hgblue said:Soulboy said:hgblue said:No cover for Kompany? No cover for Yaya? Passing on the chance to sign a superb striker like RVP? You're right that we could go for it and hope for no injuries to our key men (Kompany, Yaya and Aguero), but I don't see why we should.
No cover for Kompany? Kolo, Savic and Richards spring to mind, with Rekik for the Carling Cup games. Yaya? I do think we need to prioritise a midfielder, but even so we still have de Jong and Milner in reserve. And Razak, Suarez for the Carling Cup.
We are not down to bare bones. Chill.
I'm chilled mate, but if I were the manager charged with defending the title and having a serious attempt at the Champions League, I'd want better cover for Kompany than Kolo or Savic, and better cover for Yaya than Milner or De Jong (Martinez would be perfect because he'd kill two birds with one stone). I'd also want to sign a top striker like RVP should he be available, and I'd be prepared to sacrifice Dzeko to get him. Standing still is rarely a wise option if you're sights are set high.
Admittedly i'v only seen Martinez play 4 times, but i have to say I have not been impressed any time I have seen him. Until recently I was firmly in the 'get Martinez' camp, because as you say he could cover two positions. However doubt is beginning to creep into my mindset about him as a player that would suit the premier league. Im just not sure he has the physicality for it, or more importantly the mental toughness. I am more likely wrong than right, but this is how i am feeling at the moment.
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Soulboy said:The bit I don't get is that most on here are claiming that RvP will be brought in as a replacement for Dzeko.
So RvP is going to be our new 4th. choice striker is he?
If RvP comes (and personally I do think he will end up here) he's coming to replace Tevez and Balotelli as Aguero's partner.
This means Balotelli will likely be our new 4th. choice striker... and that's a good idea?
And even if the sales of Adebayor/RSC/Teve/Dzeko are going to determine whether or not we pursue RvP... what has this to do with our other transfer targets in midfield and at the back? Surely they are separete issues?So why are we holding back on the other potential deals?
Like I said at the start of the transfer window, I think we could go again with what we've got. And if it means consigning Adebayor and RSC to the Carling Cup campaign then so be it.
Arsenal, Chelsea and the rags signings have still not made them better than us.
You're wrong here about the strikers mate, imo.
The problem we had with rotation last season was that there was a clear distinction between the levels all of our strikers were playing at.
IF Tevez stays fit and we swap RvP for Dzeko then we will have 4 top class strikers in Sergio, RvP, Carlos and Balo.
I then think that Bob will be happy, assuming all fit, to rotate them regularly depending on opposition as I'd expect us to be going all guns blazing for all trophies.
Super David Silva 21
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He wants to be the highest earner at City???
He can fuckin do one right now.
He can fuckin do one right now.
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The worrying thing with this RVP thing is that if we get him, will the cycle continue?
We got Santa Cruz and Ade and they are hard to offload....if we get RVP is it Dzeko or Tevez that will take Ade's spot as the top striker on big wages that we just loan around and teams just continue to take advantage on us like Spurs with Ade?
We got Santa Cruz and Ade and they are hard to offload....if we get RVP is it Dzeko or Tevez that will take Ade's spot as the top striker on big wages that we just loan around and teams just continue to take advantage on us like Spurs with Ade?
Super David Silva 21 said:He wants to be the highest earner at City???
He can fuckin do one right now.
And how do you know this?
Theo555 said:Super David Silva 21 said:He wants to be the highest earner at City???
He can fuckin do one right now.
And how do you know this?
He doesn't.
i bet the one holding up this transfer is Arsene wenger.
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Theo555 said:Please god I hope we do get RVP, amen
+1 - chances to get one of the best strikers in the world do not come along too often.
rastus
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Nijinsky 88 said:Theo555 said:Please god I hope we do get RVP, amen
+1 - chances to get one of the best strikers in the world do not come along too often.
This signing is wrong for us on so many levels, I just hope its all media hype. Besides I hate the **** ;)
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Do you?? You've not said mate!! :-)rastus said:Nijinsky 88 said:Theo555 said:Please god I hope we do get RVP, amen
+1 - chances to get one of the best strikers in the world do not come along too often.
This signing is wrong for us on so many levels, I just hope its all media hype. Besides I hate the **** ;)
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I said in a recent post that I believe RVP will do a u-turn and sign a new deal, especially if Wenger signs up Cazorla and Sahin on loan. RVP is going to struggle getting his 200k a week demands IMO.
I also think that none of our strikers will be sold this Summer, we have too many in the sqaud and its evident we are struggling to offload them for the prices we are demanding, not forgetting these players do not want to take wage cuts!
I am confident that our strike-force can do a job next season, Tevez is back and Kun is now settled. There are other positions I believe are much more important that we need to be adding to - Yaya backup for January and a good CB backup, a winger would be nice as well.
I also think that none of our strikers will be sold this Summer, we have too many in the sqaud and its evident we are struggling to offload them for the prices we are demanding, not forgetting these players do not want to take wage cuts!
I am confident that our strike-force can do a job next season, Tevez is back and Kun is now settled. There are other positions I believe are much more important that we need to be adding to - Yaya backup for January and a good CB backup, a winger would be nice as well.
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BlueCityfan said:The worrying thing with this RVP thing is that if we get him, will the cycle continue?
We got Santa Cruz and Ade and they are hard to offload....if we get RVP is it Dzeko or Tevez that will take Ade's spot as the top striker on big wages that we just loan around and teams just continue to take advantage on us like Spurs with Ade?
And following on with that cycle in two years time when RVP has been a total flop because he's spent so much time out with those bad knees he has and we want to buy the next striker up and he's no longer flavour of the month, guess what we'll be stuck with RVP and not be able to shift him, and everyone will be slagging him off as they are slagging Adebayor and Roque Santa Cruz off.
hgblue said:Marvin said:Annoys me whenever I read blues criticising Savic. We used to give our young players time and support.
I'm not criticising the lad. Just don't think he's ready yet to step into Kompany's shoes if he were to (god forbid) pick up a long term injury.
-- Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:14 pm --
Soulboy said:hgblue said:I'm not panicking or spoilt, just discussing where I feel we need to strengthen, and whether we should sign a top quality player like RVP if he is available. You mention Mancini, but I'd speculate that his views are closer to mine than yours......
Well if you know Mancini better than me, I'm outta here!
No point taking this any further if you've got the inside track...
;-))
You do know what the word speculate means don't you? ;)
"You're making it up?"
Anyway, back to speculation. I reckon Mancini is closer to my thoughts than yours. And the voice inside my head confirmed that.<br /><br />-- Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:09 pm --<br /><br />
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:BlueCityfan said:The worrying thing with this RVP thing is that if we get him, will the cycle continue?
We got Santa Cruz and Ade and they are hard to offload....if we get RVP is it Dzeko or Tevez that will take Ade's spot as the top striker on big wages that we just loan around and teams just continue to take advantage on us like Spurs with Ade?
And following on with that cycle in two years time when RVP has been a total flop because he's spent so much time out with those bad knees he has and we want to buy the next striker up and he's no longer flavour of the month, guess what we'll be stuck with RVP and not be able to shift him, and everyone will be slagging him off as they are slagging Adebayor and Roque Santa Cruz off.
Superbly summed up my good man.
If one aspect of "Typical City" never seems to go, it's that we sell cheap, buy expensive, and struggle to off-load. And it's been like that for as long as I can remember.
Even Allison's ludicrous signing-spree saw us off-loading most of them for a fraction of what we'd paid... and that simply topped off him selling all our internationals for a pittance as well.
We have history for this. And I doubt even Marwood or Mancini can fight that depth of history...
Maybe a season to allow things to calm down would be a good thing.
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