Roger Daltrey: Rolling Stones a Mediocre Pub Band

OB1 said:
Well, if you stick to rock bands and treat the scousers as pop, I would also say Floyd.

Perhaps worth noting that Queen have probably sold more albums worldwide than either The Who or the Stones. AC/DC have sold more than Queen.

And, only the scouse mop tops and Zep have sold more the Eagles and U2.

Where does one draw the line!?
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We had this discussion on the other thread. Other threads, actually, I think. Trying to define the "Big 4" of classic rock and I think we proposed The Beatles, Stones, Zep and The Who -- basically focusing on the big bands that emerged from the late-ish 60s to the late-ish 70s as "hard rock" exploded among white boys (which most of us are I reckon), but then came the "What about Pink Floyd?" crew which makes sense given Comfortably Numb was #1 in the @BlueHammer85 best song poll we did. I think both Queen and especially AC/DC would be considered non-60s/late 70s/even early 80s bands so they missed the "grandfathers of classic rock" window.

Later I tried with a "Who are the top 4 bands of the 80s?" thing and we kicked that around -- but my initial starting point proposal got utterly buzzsawed by you lot -- there isn't a lot of love for U2, it's mixed on REM, there's zero for The Police, and there used to be some for Talking Heads before they took over the top 1100 poll :).

I'm not the right person to ask about The Eagles, as I personally believe Hell has a special place reserved for them after their live version of "Seven Bridges Road" and the fucking dumpster fire of "The Long Run".

And as always under the radar in these discussions -- certified geniuses Steely Dan.
 
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For the godfathers of Classic Rock, I'd go with a big five of Beatles, Stones, Who, Zep and Floyd.

Queen and AC/DC are mid->late 70's bands.

I know you have it in for the Eagles but I love 'em and have just forked out a lot of money in the hope of actually getting to some them this time round (after they cancelled this year's (postponed) Wembley show) when they play Hyde Park next year; with Robert Plant & Alison Krauss second on the bill.

I steered well clear of The Long Run until fairly recently, when I finally added it to the collection. I think it is much better than it was credited to be but the shadow cast by its predecessor was long and dark. It does contain a version of one of my favourite songs although I prefer the Joe Walsh version on The Warriors soundtrack.
 
OB1 said:
I know you have it in for the Eagles but I love 'em and have just forked out a lot of money in the hope of actually getting to some them this time round (after they cancelled this year's (postponed) Wembley show) when they play Hyde Park next year; with Robert Plant & Alison Krauss second on the bill.
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I will go to my grave believing Joe Walsh's "Life's Been Good" -- which is a joke song -- is better than anything the Eagles ever did. And "Rocky Mountain Way" is too.

That's not to say I don't like some of the Greatest Hits stuff, and bits of Hotel California. But The Long Run was a musical crime that deserved jail time, and Seven Bridges Road was like shanking music from behind in the prison shower.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I will go to my grave believing Joe Walsh's "Life's Been Good" -- which is a joke song -- is better than anything the Eagles ever did. And "Rocky Mountain Way" is too.

That's not to say I don't like some of the Greatest Hits stuff, and bits of Hotel California. But The Long Run was a musical crime that deserved jail time, and Seven Bridges Road was like shanking music from behind in the prison shower.
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"Life's Been Good" is better than most things by most people.
 
The Stones were fucking ace in their prime, though haven’t released anything even vaguely relevant since Under Cover of the Night, and that was an outlier of their previous decade’s output.
The Who were always a bit ‘meh’ for me. The odd song was OK but Daltrey never wrote an album as good as Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed or Exile on Main Street.
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And as always under the radar in these discussions -- certified geniuses Steely Dan.
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Like very much.
But they're not a rock band. Not really. Both Becker (RIP) and Fagen are far too influenced by jazz in their composition, their chord choices, their phrasing, their tempos, to be considered rock in the classic sense of the word.
 
OB1 said:
For the godfathers of Classic Rock, I'd go with a big five of Beatles, Stones, Who, Zep and Floyd.

Queen and AC/DC are mid->late 70's bands.

I know you have it in for the Eagles but I love 'em and have just forked out a lot of money in the hope of actually getting to some them this time round (after they cancelled this year's (postponed) Wembley show) when they play Hyde Park next year; with Robert Plant & Alison Krauss second on the bill.

I steered well clear of The Long Run until fairly recently, when I finally added it to the collection. I think it is much better than it was credited to be but the shadow cast by its predecessor was long and dark. It does contain a version of one of my favourite songs although I prefer the Joe Walsh version on The Warriors soundtrack.
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I guess what we take from this is, everybody has different views on music, I thought the Beatles were and still are the biggest band ever. Of course lots of people will disagree with that and thats fine by me.
But their statistics and facts are hard to argue against, but essentially I never regarded them as "Classic Rock" like LZ or The Who. The Beatles were principally a band who wrote songs and sang them. They were masters of the 3 minute song, in many genres.....30 number 1s proves that, 12 number 1 albums proves that.....plus they wrote hits for other artists which they didnt record themselves.
The Beatles were not a huge stadium band (although they did do the first ever stadium gig at Shea Stadium) like The Who and Led Zep, they didnt have a lead singer who posed and pranced around the stage like Jagger, Daltrey, Plant or Freddie Mercury, they didnt have a massive light show and props like PF, they just stood there with their guitars singing. A bit like The Kinks. They just sang songs.

The biggest 4 Stadium filling Classic Rock bands for me..
Stones
Led Zep
The Who
AC/DC
All with front men singers.

Pink Floyd are massive but not "Classic Rock" they are in the Progressive Rock category.
The biggest band of them all, not classic rock, sort of Pop/Rock song based ...Beatles.

So there you go, the worlds biggest bands ALL English and one Australian. Very poor showing by those Yanks :)

Be proud, up till The Beatles Britain never had any famous world musicians, even classical we were poor, The Germans had Beethoven, Bach & Mozart, The Yanks had all those R & B singers, Soul singers, Jazz musicians, Elvis, Sinatra etc etc. Britain had no-one, then along came The Beatles and what followed was the British invasion, of the world really.
 
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