Romeo Lavia

SterlingSilvas said:
Wasnt ready to play a lone six in the system we had, still isnt. Doesn't have the ball playing chop to control from DM.

Kid is a pure ball winner and recycler at this point. We dont have the game time to invest in training him in it, gonna look a star in some systems just not this one for a few years.
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I think that his forward passing is better than you give him credit for but agree that he would not be ready to be our 6 if Rodders was out or being rested. If he had stayed last season he may have got the minutes that went to Rico Lewis and would have been a treble winner rather than having a relegation on his footballing CV.
 
jamesha said:
I think that his forward passing is better than you give him credit for but agree that he would not be ready to be our 6 if Rodders was out or being rested. If he had stayed last season he may have got the minutes that went to Rico Lewis and would have been a treble winner rather than having a relegation on his footballing CV.
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Yeah, i don't think he's terrible at it, but way off the level for what we need in there. Remains to be seen if he could have adapted to the new system mid season as well. Stones, Walker etc all said they struggled with the change , whereas Lewis flourished etc.

All ifs, and and buts with the choice but we came out ok.
 
Klopp thinks he is good enough for them Arteta thinks he is good enough for them
Ten Peg thinks he will be hood enough for them
Chelsea probably were in mix

But he becomes Raw for City?

You can dislike that ugly teeth dipper bit you say he can't be good for City when he can sign for anyone in top 6?
 
SterlingSilvas said:
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Just on pure numbers you can see why Lavia is a better fit for Liverpool. We say we want a #6 when our #6 is usually a complete midfielder rather than a pure ball winner.
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I wouldn't jump to bring him back, but surely that's the difference between between playing for City and playing for Southampton.

Southampton scored 36 league goals last season - that wipes out the entire first section for Lavia. The areas where he's poor are almost all related to playing in a team that aren't doing much attacking.
 
dhruvblue said:
Klopp thinks he is good enough for them Arteta thinks he is good enough for them
Ten Peg thinks he will be hood enough for them
Chelsea probably were in mix

But he becomes Raw for City?

You can dislike that ugly teeth dipper bit you say he can't be good for City when he can sign for anyone in top 6?
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Klopp won absolutely squat and failed to qualify for the Champs league
Arteta won nothing and threw away the league (arguably)
Ten Hag won the Carling Cup which is considered the lowest success
Pep won the treble
Conclusion he probably is raw
 
bluenova said:
I wouldn't jump to bring him back, but surely that's the difference between between playing for City and playing for Southampton.

Southampton scored 36 league goals last season - that wipes out the entire first section for Lavia. The areas where he's poor are almost all related to playing in a team that aren't doing much attacking.
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He'd need to improve almost every metric, and double/triple them in the offensive side at least. Just don't seem them taking another 50m punt when they have Phillips as one already.
 
City_Sean said:
Lavia would be ahead of both Phillips and Kovacic in the pecking order if he was here. He was fantastic at Southampton last year and will solve a massive part of Liverpool's weakness, which is their midfield.

I find it so weird that the club went as high as £90m on Rice but won't buy Lavia back. For me he's more talented than Rice and has already been in and around the setup.
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First highlighted bit - based on what? The fact he looked good in a really bad team?
Second bit - we are clearly very aware of his pluses and minuses from his time at the club, so just PERHAPS there's something we know that we don't like.
May turn out to be a mistake, time will tell
 
SterlingSilvas said:
He'd need to improve almost every metric, and double/triple them in the offensive side at least. Just don't seem them taking another 50m punt when they have Phillips as one already.
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I agree that he's not stand out enough to bring him right back, but City scored three times as many goals as Southampton, so tripling his offensive stats wouldn't be a surprise.
 
City_Sean said:
Lavia would be ahead of both Phillips and Kovacic in the pecking order if he was here. He was fantastic at Southampton last year and will solve a massive part of Liverpool's weakness, which is their midfield.

I find it so weird that the club went as high as £90m on Rice but won't buy Lavia back. For me he's more talented than Rice and has already been in and around the setup.
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This is just silly...silly I tell ya...
 
bluenova said:
I agree that he's not stand out enough to bring him right back, but City scored three times as many goals as Southampton, so tripling his offensive stats wouldn't be a surprise.
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Wow, now that's what's called advanced metrics...
 
For what it’s worth I suspect that off the record all parties are a bit frustrated with how this turned out.

Clearly City felt he needed to play games and with Pep wanting Phillips that wasn’t going to happen, and unfortunately he has come on much quicker than expected, whilst Phillips has turned out to be a waster that Pep had to publicly call out.

Not only has the club ultimately left money on the table, he will strengthen a league rival for the next 10–15 years.

C’est la vie - with the clubs current strategy of selling with buybacks, it’s inevitable that there will be a mistake in amongst the ones who are never good enough to return.
 
City_Sean said:
Lavia would be ahead of both Phillips and Kovacic in the pecking order if he was here. He was fantastic at Southampton last year and will solve a massive part of Liverpool's weakness, which is their midfield.

I find it so weird that the club went as high as £90m on Rice but won't buy Lavia back. For me he's more talented than Rice and has already been in and around the setup.
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Ahead of Kovacic ? Can I have some of what your smoking pls
 
I will make it clear - I was a fan of Lavia and thought that he had the chance to make it with us. He is a talented player. I will also be clear that despite me wishing him well in his career, and feeling a certain amount of loss that he is not with us, he has done nothing to suggest, yet, that he will reach the top levels of world class, which is what he would need to do to thrive here. He would not be displacing any of our central midfield of last season (based on his Southampton performances) and we would be buying a prospect who would have to earn his place, with no guarantees that he would. Sometimes, the stars do not align, and young players want their shot before we believe they are ready; they have the right, just as we have the right to take the money for them. We don't need to slag off members of our current squad either - we are the treble winners, for goodness sake, and recognised as the world's best team, so get a grip of yourself.
 
People moan whenever we let go a talented youngster, but we've definitely not had a 'Chelsea letting go of De Bruyne and Salah' moment yet. As others have said, he was decent in a team than managed 25 points. I get that he's only 19, but would anyone be talking about him at all if he wasn't ex-City? I'm not sure they would.

Fans always have a soft spot for academy lads, but if we listened to fans, the current team would be made up of Jason Denayer, Brahim Diaz, Ferran Torres, Jadon Sancho, Angelino, Garcia, Porro, Muric, Roberts, etc. While some of them have had decent careers since leaving us, I'd argue that not a single one would get into our matchday squad.

The only argument is that he'd contribute to our club-trained quota. Is that still a thing?
 
JewelZee said:
Wow, now that's what's called advanced metrics...
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Ha! Maybe - but let's face it, he's playing a different game of football at Southampton.

Southampton make just over half as many passes as City, while Rodri spends much of his time behind the ball, with the opponents sitting off in a low block, so of course he's going to have more chances to pass forward. Rodri makes nearly 3 times as many passes per game as Lavia, so when you're comparing quantities (which is what most of those stats that were shared do), he's going to be 2-3 times ahead.

James Ward-Prowse makes the most passes for Southampton, and he'd only sneak in at number 10 in City players passes per 90 minutes.

So, yes - "advanced metrics", but stick a player into midfield in City's team and they're going to spend a hell of a lot more time on the ball, and make more passes. They'd struggle not to.
 
Lavia is extremely overrated on here imo. I don't think he'd get anywhere near our midfield as is, and if he's ever going to progress to the point where he could, he needs consistent minutes which I highly doubt he'd get with us.
 
City_Sean said:
Lavia would be ahead of both Phillips and Kovacic in the pecking order if he was here. He was fantastic at Southampton last year and will solve a massive part of Liverpool's weakness, which is their midfield.

I find it so weird that the club went as high as £90m on Rice but won't buy Lavia back. For me he's more talented than Rice and has already been in and around the setup.
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Ahead of Kalvin Phillips? I agree.

Ahead of Kovacic? Based on what exactly?

Kovacic was playing in the champions league last season, he's a regular Croatia international that plays almost every game for them and he's won a European cup.

What has Lavia done in his career to merit being a starter above Kovacic? Playing just ONE season of premier league football for bottom of the league? Is he a regular Belgian international? No he isn't.

I want whatever you're smoking, pal.
 
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