Romeo Lavia

[Centurions]

They can like they have with other knee jerk ffp rule changes

Have they? Can't recall anything offhand.

 

[Mon Autre]

Tbf buy back at 40m doesn’t kick in till next year

It doesn't but with 20% sell on we'd essentially get back a £60m bid from us only translates to £48m cost. (Obvs it's not £40m but it's worth noting that he would still be cheaper for us than anyone else this summer).

Regardless, we know him better than anyone else I'm guessing but still don't appear interested.

 

[mike1923]

Not really, they can't make it retrospective as that would immediately see courtrooms involved.

Exactly. You can’t be done for speeding at 50 in somewhere that’s a 30mph zone now but was 60 when you went through it. Unless you’re City, obviously

 

[tommybooth]

Come on Bingo. Phillips is available for 40. Never raced or rallied by Pep. Bargain price!

 

[Mon Autre]

Wow, so they're fine to amortise player's contracts for 8 years for FFP reasons for the last two seasons. 100% they're passing FFP then. Cheers for the link

The 8 year thing doesn't seem too big a deal for me. Everyone else has been free to do it but is presumably choosing not to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent they just kicking the can further down the road? Surely they'll be massively restricted in a few years time when they can't buy any new players because they're still amortising 22 purchases from 6 or 7 years ago?

Also, it's inconceivable that all of these transfers will work out. They're going to make big losses on some of these players in a year or two's time when they need to get rid but have barely amortised any of their original fees.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The 8 year thing doesn't seem too big a deal for me. Everyone else has been free to do it but is presumably choosing not to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent they just kicking the can further down the road? Surely they'll be massively restricted in a few years time when they can't buy any new players because they're still amortising 22 purchases from 6 or 7 years ago?

Also, it's inconceivable that all of these transfers will work out. They're going to make big losses on some of these players in a year or two's time when they need to get rid but have barely amortised any of their original fees.

yep 100% it's a stupid idea giving them 8 year contracts anyway. It could ruin the club but it does mean FFP isn't a worry for them in the short term

 

[Centurions]

The 8 year thing doesn't seem too big a deal for me. Everyone else has been free to do it but is presumably choosing not to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent they just kicking the can further down the road? Surely they'll be massively restricted in a few years time when they can't buy any new players because they're still amortising 22 purchases from 6 or 7 years ago?

Also, it's inconceivable that all of these transfers will work out. They're going to make big losses on some of these players in a year or two's time when they need to get rid but have barely amortised any of their original fees.

Yep, it's just a different version of Real Madrid or Barcelona selling future revenue or TV rights. If it all blows up in the future say through rule changes, lower TV revenues, sponsors pulling their heads in or failing to bring in the European competitions money then they're stuffed. They're gambling big style.

 

[waspish]

Have they? Can't recall anything offhand.

There was a rule you couldn't increase a % of annual wages from a certain amount so it was like a wages cap! Rags needed another rebuild Gill took that rule out without a mention in the media! Been a couple of more tweaks what I can't remember too

 

[M18CTID]

The 8 year thing doesn't seem too big a deal for me. Everyone else has been free to do it but is presumably choosing not to. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent they just kicking the can further down the road? Surely they'll be massively restricted in a few years time when they can't buy any new players because they're still amortising 22 purchases from 6 or 7 years ago?

Also, it's inconceivable that all of these transfers will work out. They're going to make big losses on some of these players in a year or two's time when they need to get rid but have barely amortised any of their original fees.

Yeah, there's only so many of those players you can stick on 8 year contracts before it becomes potentially a huge problem going forward.

As for Chelsea doing this in the first place, like you said everyone else was free to do it too. There's nothing dodgy about it in that sense and as has been said, there are advantages and disadvantages to it.

 

[Welsh]

yep 100% it's a stupid idea giving them 8 year contracts anyway. It could ruin the club but it does mean FFP isn't a worry for them in the short term

What I don't get is let's say Lavia has a blinder and they want to reward him with a new deal. Well how do you extend a contract then? You'd be giving a 22 year old a contract into his early 30s, without having any idea what their body will be like at that point.

As a side note, hope all these players have mechanisms to get out of Chelsea when the inevitable implosion happens.

 

[Centurions]

There was a rule you couldn't increase a % of annual wages from a certain amount so it was like a wages cap! Rags needed another rebuild Gill took that rule out without a mention in the media! Been a couple of more tweaks what I can't remember too

But it wasn't retrospectively applied bud.

 

[Maly]

What I don't get is let's say Lavia has a blinder and they want to reward him with a new deal. Well how do you extend a contract then? You'd be giving a 22 year old a contract into his early 30s, without having any idea what their body will be like at that point.

As a side note, hope all these players have mechanisms to get out of Chelsea when the inevitable implosion happens.

A new contract doesn’t necessarily mean an extended one mate

 

[Xhavenjoe]

doesn't but with 20% sell on we'd essentially get back a £60m bid from us only translates to £48m cost. (Obvs it's not £40m but it's worth noting that he would still be cheaper for us than anyone else this summer).

Its still a £60 m swing for us though.
If another club buy him, we get £12m and if we buy him we fork out £48m.

 

[Centurions]

What I don't get is let's say Lavia has a blinder and they want to reward him with a new deal. Well how do you extend a contract then? You'd be giving a 22 year old a contract into his early 30s, without having any idea what their body will be like at that point.

As a side note, hope all these players have mechanisms to get out of Chelsea when the inevitable implosion happens.

I don't know if true but it's been said that these long contracts have graduated wage increases over the length of the contract. If they decided to offer him a new contract in 3 years time say, then they could offer a better 5 year contract as it doesn't have to be an extension.

 

[waspish]

But it wasn't retrospectively applied bud.

Because Gill new rags would fail that if they didnt change it!

How do we know if it's brought in it won't be applied?

 

[waspish]

I don't know if true but it's been said that these long contracts have graduated wage increases over the length of the contract. If they decided to offer him a new contract in 3 years time say, then they could offer a better 5 year contract as it doesn't have to be an extension.

This is so savvy! Give a 8 year deal first 3 years on about 50k a week the 4th year 100k 5th year 150k last 3 years 300k knowing if they player is top notch they will be happy with that if the player is not living up to expectations sell him after 3 years..

Boehley hey a genius..

 

[aguero93:20]

Assume they don’t want to play for free asthma meds like all the other current dipper players do…

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[blue b4 the moon]

What I don't get is let's say Lavia has a blinder and they want to reward him with a new deal. Well how do you extend a contract then? You'd be giving a 22 year old a contract into his early 30s, without having any idea what their body will be like at that point.

As a side note, hope all these players have mechanisms to get out of Chelsea when the inevitable implosion happens.

Its not only that, what about inflation?

I know players are paid crazy money but going BACK 7 years and comparing to now wages have exploded.

Now take into account a players progression (look at how Phil Fodens monies have increased), in 7 years time Lavia could be expecting a wage of £1m per week but still be on a £100k contract.

I'm amazed just like the pull of barca how players & agents act.

 

[aguero93:20]

Its not only that, what about inflation?

I know players are paid crazy money but going BACK 7 years and comparing to now wages have exploded.

Now take into account a players progression (look at how Phil Fodens monies have increased), in 7 years time Lavia could be expecting a wage of £1m per week but still be on a £100k contract.

I'm amazed just like the pull of barca how players & agents act.

There will be break clauses etc built in, plus they always have the Webster ruling.

 

[sir baconface]

Tbf buy back at 40m doesn’t kick in till next year

Not sure the buy-back clause is still valid if he’s changed club in the meantime.

(Sorry if already said. I haven’t followed the thread closely.)