Rony Lopes

[dasblues]

The people who make the decisions about players obviously don't think he's ready.

Better to sell him now for money than let his contract run down and leave for little or nothing.

I don't think they did , they offered him a new contact as the initial report were it was a loan.

He's obviously had his doubts that he would get the game time to prove himself.

He might not be good enough in the long term but we didn't want the associated risk of having him on the bench instead of a fully qualified international.

It pains me to say this but look at Gomez at the grievers , he's playing ahead of Moreno who they paid £18m for last year. He's out of position but has shown enough promise to mark him on as one for the future. He could have cost them points but they took the risk that he can make it.

 

[80s Shorts]

It'll never happen then. KDB, Sterling, Kompany, even Silva...these players would never break through at City. Messi would have, but he's Messi. Do you really think we'd be giving a young, raw Silva the slow integration into first team football he needed to become what he was? No.

How old is Iheanacho? I rest my case.

 

[Ray78]

Lopes wanted more than a odd appearance in the League Cup and in the FA Cup along with sub appearances in the league. Something Manuel Pellegrini couldn't guarantee him.

 

[twosips]

How old is Iheanacho? I rest my case.

I must have missed his debut?

 

[mosssideblue]

The amount of tripe and apologist behaviour spouted in this thread defending the club at all costs despite the clear, clear evidence in front of them that we're not handling this youth development thing well at all is mind-boggling.

What is this clear clear evidence that you talk of? Not supposition though please

 

[Neville Kneville]

You really do feel bitter about this and, (correct me if I am wrong) are not a professional footballing coach, yet you try to convince that you have more of an idea of those who are. Rony, with the best will in the world is not at the standard needed by City, otherwise, he would have been given chances. Yes he might thrive in the PL in a mid table team, but he has not shown enough technical competence to convince the ones who matter at City.

If, as someone has just said, Rony was demanding game time in order to sign a contract, I'm pleased we have said no and made a return on the investment.

Oh for fucks sake. I'm not a football coach.
Well I'm sorry for having an opinion that MIGHT be different to some of City's coaches, and not having the badge to go with it.

You don't even know if City's coaches agree with this or not. There are lots of disagreements on things like this even amongst such coaches, so for all you know half of them agree with me, or all of them do.
Stuart Pearce & Guardiola would both agree on a player because they are both coaches ?

If these people are all so clever at knowing which kids are going to make it, then why do they not get all their senior signings right as well? Why is DeBruyne not at Chelsea?

Nonsense.

 

[dasblues]

How old is Iheanacho? I rest my case.

Yeah that 20 minute cameo last week at Everton was something to behold , he tore potential £40m
John stones a new one.

Oh wait a minute , he hasn't featured in any games this season despite being the standout in pre season ..

 

[mosssideblue]

Oh for fucks sake. I'm not a football coach.
Well I'm sorry for having an opinion that MIGHT be different to some of City's coaches, and not having the badge to go with it.

You don't even know if City's coaches agree with this or not. There are lots of disagreements on things like this even amongst such coaches, so for all you know half of them agree with me, or all of them do.
Stuart Pearce & Guardiola would both agree on a player because they are both coaches ?

If these people are all so clever at knowing which kids are going to make it, then why do they not get all their senior signings right as well? Why is DeBruyne not at Chelsea?

Nonsense.

Then stop trying to convince like you know better.

 

[Neville Kneville]

What you described is not enough IMO to get him to sign a new contract. So all those games that you are talking about giving him could be given to someone else, because to give them to him and watch him walk on a free in a year anyway is just bad business.

We have fucked up with the contract too. That is correct.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Then stop trying to convince like you know better.

Oh for fucks sake. Know better than who ?

You don't even know who made the decision. How do you know who I'm disagreeing with ?

 

[bluesince76]

It'll never happen then. KDB, Sterling, Kompany, even Silva...these players would never break through at City. Messi would have, but he's Messi. Do you really think we'd be giving a young, raw Silva the slow integration into first team football he needed to become what he was? No.

Was Silva given the chance to break through slowly in a top two team? We have to accept that's what we are and we're there for a reason.

I'd love to see kids coming through as they have in the past, but the likes of a Barton, Micah, Onouha, even SWP, wouldn't be good enough to make the grade anymore, let alone as kids.

We may find the next world star, but most players will go off on loan to prove themselves and some might be good enough to make the first team, but very few. Just think about the rest of the premier league - how many players outside the top 4 would get into our first team? And that's established players, not kids.

 

[Neville Kneville]

What is this clear clear evidence that you talk of? Not supposition though please

More than anything you have. You haven't come up with one word of anything of an argument apart from to say that the unknown person who made this decision was correct because he must have been.

You have nothing but supposition to go on.

 

[80s Shorts]

I must have missed his debut?

Silly response, he is about to start a full season with the first team at 18 years old.

 

[dasblues]

Then stop trying to convince like you know better.

I don't think there is an argument to say that Lopes is better than a first team player in our squad but he might be , the club have decided that they don't want to take the risk to find out.

No one has a crystal ball to say how a player will turn out, we can afford not to have to take risks and buy the best around a bit naff though isn't it...

 

[80s Shorts]

I don't think there is an argument to say that Lopes is better than a first team player in our squad but he might be , the club have decided that they don't want to take the risk to find out.

No one has a crystal ball to say how a player will turn out, we can afford not to have to take risks and buy the best around a bit naff though isn't it...

He has to be better than at least one squad player in his position to get the chance. The manager, coaching staff etc have decided he is not.

 

[Neville Kneville]

No

I don't think there is an argument to say that Lopes is better than a first team player in our squad but he might be , the club have decided that they don't want to take the risk to find out.

No one has a crystal ball to say how a player will turn out, we can afford not to have to take risks and buy the best around a bit naff though isn't it...

No risk involved.

The worst that happens is he leaves as he can't get in the team. Well he's left anyway.

 

[BigOscar]

Was Silva given the chance to break through slowly in a top two team? We have to accept that's what we are and we're there for a reason.

I'd love to see kids coming through as they have in the past, but the likes of a Barton, Micah, Onouha, even SWP, wouldn't be good enough to make the grade anymore, let alone as kids.

We may find the next world star, but most players will go off on loan to prove themselves and some might be good enough to make the first team, but very few. Just think about the rest of the premier league - how many players outside the top 4 would get into our first team? And that's established players, not kids.

Yes? Valencia were a top 2 or 3 team when he broke in, I'm pretty sure. Same for when Juan Mata broke through for them and Jordi Alba and various others. Barca have a pretty long list of players who weren't world beaters who they somehow managed to give a chance to and still compete in all competitions. It's a bullshit excuse that you can't risk young players in top teams, it's just not true.

 

[Neville Kneville]

He has to be better than at least one squad player in his position to get the chance. The manager, coaching staff etc have decided he is not.

So if Messi was 18 but not yet better than Navas, you would fuck him off rather than bring him through?

 

[80s Shorts]

Yeah that 20 minute cameo last week at Everton was something to behold , he tore potential £40m
John stones a new one.

Oh wait a minute , he hasn't featured in any games this season despite being the standout in pre season ..

Which is why he will be in the first team squad for the season and will get game time. It seems you are too quick to use this particular stick to beat the club with.

 

[80s Shorts]

So if Messi was 18 but not yet better than Navas, you would fuck him off rather than bring him through?

I don't understand what you are saying. Lopes did not want to sign a contract it seems to me. I would presume if we had Messi in our academy at 18 we may have recognised
he was a little bit special and likely to become a better player than Navas.