Roque Santa Cruz [merged]

ello_jo said:
First time, I've posted on this thread and too be honest I bet it's full of idiots saying what a complete twat hughes is etc.etc. I think it's a great signing, look at him in his first season, he was awesome every chance he got he scored. Have we got a natural goalscorer? No, well now we have. He might have been so injured last year because he didn't go through Hughes' gruelling training pre-season. I reckon he'll get him back in shape an he'll be quality.
How can you say he is a natural goalscorer, when you look at his body of work throughout his career???
 
Soulboy said:
I'm surprised that anyone thinks Hughes is "building for the future".

In my humble opinion, nothing could be further from the truth!

In reality, Hughes has to achieve next season, top 6 MINIMUM, probably top 4, so he's going to have to fill his squad out with Premiership experience and battle hardened players (ala Barry and RSC, Tevez?).

He can't take risks, he can't buy bargains, he can't take a flyer on some exotic star... he NEEDS a flying start and challenging from day one.

Hughes knows this is his last throw off the dice and I think we can expect more of the same this transfer window.

Toure... Lescott... Bentley... if he could get Warnock, Samba, Pederson and Tugay in he's be like a pig in shit!


Unquestionably there's a lot of truth in this: Hughes primarily wants players with proven Premier League ability and experience. Bit of a shame in some ways as I would like to see us buying more players who fall into the category of 'next generation of world stars'.
 
This should stun a few people. Posted by Ted Hughes on Mancityfans.

RSC's record inc sub appearances is apparently. P:235 Goals: 67 rate 1 goal per 3.507 which apparently is shite

RIG's statistics probably missing sub appearances & some lesser games give him 59 goals in 159 games which apparently is shite (that's 1 goal per 2.69 games)

Neil Young for City: p 334 goals 86= 1 per 3.883

Apparently Neil Young was shite.

Wyn Davies:

Newcastle 216/ goals: 53 1 per 4.075 Shite
City 45/8 1 per 5.6

No wonder we bought Marsh, Wyn Davies was shite.

Joe Royle for City : 99/23 1 goal per 4.3 shite.

Nicolas Anelka pre City:

PSG: P10 Goals 1
Arsenal: P65 Goals 23
Real: P19 Goals 2
PSG: P39 Goals 10
Liverpool: P20 Goals 4

Total 153/40 1 goal per 3.82 games

Why did we sign Anelka? He was obviously shite! 1 decent season for Arsenal! 4 in 20 games for Liverpool!! He'll never do it in the PL!!

Can you all do me a favour (Dennis Bergkamp 11 in 52 for Inter by the way)

When any of you decide to quote your clever statistics to show whether we should sign a player or not, instead, print them out & stick them up your arse.

An immense post.

We need a solid base. There is no point having a superstar striker, who god forbid gets injured and then we have to fall back on Benjani.

I still believe we will be in the market for both Tevez and Eto'o.
 
" Bit of a shame in some ways as I would like to see us buying more players who fall into the category of 'next generation of world stars'"

So you would like Hughes to do that and potentially fail as the gambles don't work out? And then jump all over him to get him sacked. Sounds about right.
 
People seem to be suggesting Santa man as some second rate hack, this he is certainly not. I believe he has a wonderful touch and his ability to hold up and distribute is right up their with berbaflop, perhaps his goalscoring not quite as good. Dont forget, that it was only 12 months prior to the scum signing flop that they were looking at santa cruz as the option if that deal fell through. On his day he is a class player, just have to make sure those guys in the medical room are switched on. Also are his injuries soft tissue style injuries, i.e. hamstrings etc or impact injuries i.e. bone injuries and such. Having been a physio for the best part of 10 years I can tell you that soft tissue injuries tend to stick around with a player alot longer than broken legs and cartlidge injuries sustained around the knee. If treated correctly the high impact injuries (which santa has had) can be much more maneagable than a player who is suspect with injuries such as calf and hamstrings. Just my 2 cents worth anyway.
 
OB1 said:
Soulboy said:
I'm surprised that anyone thinks Hughes is "building for the future".

In my humble opinion, nothing could be further from the truth!

In reality, Hughes has to achieve next season, top 6 MINIMUM, probably top 4, so he's going to have to fill his squad out with Premiership experience and battle hardened players (ala Barry and RSC, Tevez?).

He can't take risks, he can't buy bargains, he can't take a flyer on some exotic star... he NEEDS a flying start and challenging from day one.

Hughes knows this is his last throw off the dice and I think we can expect more of the same this transfer window.

Toure... Lescott... Bentley... if he could get Warnock, Samba, Pederson and Tugay in he's be like a pig in shit!


Unquestionably there's a lot of truth in this: Hughes primarily wants players with proven Premier League ability and experience. Bit of a shame in some ways as I would like to see us buying more players who fall into the category of 'next generation of world stars'.
They are both really good points, and it's often easy to forget that managers and fans often gon't have the same agenda, if you asked any supporter if they would take a crap year next season for a major success the following season they would say yes. However, if you asked a manager, if it was going to cost him his job then he would give up that chance.
 

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