Ross Barkley

[BigOscar]

I'd rather play Marcos Lopes, and he wouldn't cost £50m. I've really never understood the Barkley hype, he does one or two good things every 4 or 5 games and that seems to be enough for him to be the next Wayne Rooney. As much as I hate Rooney, Barkley isn't even as good as he was when he was 17, yet alone when he was 21. I don't see anything to suggest he is a "sure thing" like so many seem to suggest. If you compare him to Koke or Pogba, the other similarly priced and similarly aged players, he's absolutely nowhere near either of them.

 

[IcriedwhenTueartleft]

I'd rather play Marcos Lopes, and he wouldn't cost £50m. I've really never understood the Barkley hype, he does one or two good things every 4 or 5 games and that seems to be enough for him to be the next Wayne Rooney. As much as I hate Rooney, Barkley isn't even as good as he was when he was 17, yet alone when he was 21. I don't see anything to suggest he is a "sure thing" like so many seem to suggest. If you compare him to Koke or Pogba, the other similarly priced and similarly aged players, he's absolutely nowhere near either of them.

tend to agree with this, we can't afford a £50m gamble on someone who might turn out to be another Gazza or, more likely, another Jack Rodwell. There's an obvious premium on his head as he is English however that premium is equating to around £25m as any club should not be paying more than £25m for him, what with his relative inexperience to do. He's far from the finished article and if you are paying £40-50m for a player then he needs to be virtually the finished article and proven at all levels.

 

[callumcity]

Well depends on what you mean by world class. I would not say any of them were ever in the top 5 players in the world, but Cole would make world 11's and Terry/Ferdinand had a shot too.

However, if failure at international is your criteria for saying a player is not world class then do you feel the same about Ronaldo, Messi, Aguero etc? If not then why does this only apply to English players?

Firstly, you believe the British media claiming these players are world class, I don't.

Ferdinand, Owen, Campbell, Scholes, Cole, world class, seriously ? Beckham was OK, but world class ? really ?

Ronaldo is one man in team that is very average, not sure how he can do it alone for his country, but yes he's world class, Bale plays for Wales does that prevent him being world class ?

Messi is without doubt world class, Aguero is close, but his regular injuries hamper him imho.

If England had 9 world class players, all at the same time, we'd have won a world cup, or at least a european champions, yet we barely scraped through the groups, and sometimes struggled to qualify at all.

You carry on reading the newspapers, I'll carry on watching football and making my own mind up.

Back on topic, Barkley has a long way to go yet.

All of them were at one point.

Ferdinand was never world class. Cole and Scholes definitely were and there's a case for Sol. Not sure about Owen, wasn't at the top long enough to judge.

Only world class English players in the last 15 years or so has been Terry, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole and Rooney. Sterling and Barkley look our best hope in that department for the future.

 

[BigOscar]

I'd rather play Marcos Lopes, and he wouldn't cost £50m. I've really never understood the Barkley hype, he does one or two good things every 4 or 5 games and that seems to be enough for him to be the next Wayne Rooney. As much as I hate Rooney, Barkley isn't even as good as he was when he was 17, yet alone when he was 21. I don't see anything to suggest he is a "sure thing" like so many seem to suggest. If you compare him to Koke or Pogba, the other similarly priced and similarly aged players, he's absolutely nowhere near either of them.

tend to agree with this, we can't afford a £50m gamble on someone who might turn out to be another Gazza or, more likely, another Jack Rodwell. There's an obvious premium on his head as he is English however that premium is equating to around £25m as any club should not be paying more than £25m for him, what with his relative inexperience to do. He's far from the finished article and if you are paying £40-50m for a player then he needs to be virtually the finished article and proven at all levels.

I don't even see him as a £25m player. People are moaning at Bony for about that price, and he's a far more established and consistent player. If Barkley was foreign, I doubt you'd be looking at more than £15m and I very much doubt we'd be paying him any attention at all.

 

[g180aj]

I live in Liverpool and have for a few years now and most sane Everton fans will tell you anyone who pays more than £15mill are deluded which is something I completely agree with, he is so inconsistent and was bang average yesterday he has potential but is a very long way from realising it.

 

[g180aj]

Firstly, you believe the British media claiming these players are world class, I don't.

Ferdinand, Owen, Campbell, Scholes, Cole, world class, seriously ? Beckham was OK, but world class ? really ?

Ronaldo is one man in team that is very average, not sure how he can do it alone for his country, but yes he's world class, Bale plays for Wales does that prevent him being world class ?

Messi is without doubt world class, Aguero is close, but his regular injuries hamper him imho.

If England had 9 world class players, all at the same time, we'd have won a world cup, or at least a european champions, yet we barely scraped through the groups, and sometimes struggled to qualify at all.

You carry on reading the newspapers, I'll carry on watching football and making my own mind up.

Back on topic, Barkley has a long way to go yet.

All of them were at one point.

Ferdinand was never world class. Cole and Scholes definitely were and there's a case for Sol. Not sure about Owen, wasn't at the top long enough to judge.

Only world class English players in the last 15 years or so has been Terry, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole and Rooney. Sterling and Barkley look our best hope in that department for the future.

With a good coach and if he could stay injury free, Sturridge could be not far away because he has some real natural goal scoring ability.

 

[Silva_Spell]

We'll probably spunk 45m on him and then a week later Suarez will become available for 60m.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Firstly, you believe the British media claiming these players are world class, I don't.

Ferdinand, Owen, Campbell, Scholes, Cole, world class, seriously ? Beckham was OK, but world class ? really ?

Ronaldo is one man in team that is very average, not sure how he can do it alone for his country, but yes he's world class, Bale plays for Wales does that prevent him being world class ?

Messi is without doubt world class, Aguero is close, but his regular injuries hamper him imho.

If England had 9 world class players, all at the same time, we'd have won a world cup, or at least a european champions, yet we barely scraped through the groups, and sometimes struggled to qualify at all.

You carry on reading the newspapers, I'll carry on watching football and making my own mind up.

Back on topic, Barkley has a long way to go yet.

All of them were at one point.

Ferdinand was never world class. Cole and Scholes definitely were and there's a case for Sol. Not sure about Owen, wasn't at the top long enough to judge.

Only world class English players in the last 15 years or so has been Terry, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole and Rooney. Sterling and Barkley look our best hope in that department for the future.

Shearer was

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

I live in Liverpool and have for a few years now and most sane Everton fans will tell you anyone who pays more than £15mill are deluded which is something I completely agree with, he is so inconsistent and was bang average yesterday he has potential but is a very long way from realising it.

I think saying he was average yesterday was bigging him up.was looking forward to seeing him on his own patch and what we may go for ,very very disappointed .

 

[adrianr]

I'd rather play Marcos Lopes, and he wouldn't cost £50m. I've really never understood the Barkley hype, he does one or two good things every 4 or 5 games and that seems to be enough for him to be the next Wayne Rooney. As much as I hate Rooney, Barkley isn't even as good as he was when he was 17, yet alone when he was 21. I don't see anything to suggest he is a "sure thing" like so many seem to suggest. If you compare him to Koke or Pogba, the other similarly priced and similarly aged players, he's absolutely nowhere near either of them.

tend to agree with this, we can't afford a £50m gamble on someone who might turn out to be another Gazza or, more likely, another Jack Rodwell. There's an obvious premium on his head as he is English however that premium is equating to around £25m as any club should not be paying more than £25m for him, what with his relative inexperience to do. He's far from the finished article and if you are paying £40-50m for a player then he needs to be virtually the finished article and proven at all levels.

I don't even see him as a £25m player. People are moaning at Bony for about that price, and he's a far more established and consistent player. If Barkley was foreign, I doubt you'd be looking at more than £15m and I very much doubt we'd be paying him any attention at all.

We wouldn't, but we also have to be realistic that unfortunately the fact he isn't foreign means he has a value to our team beyond being able to play football. We don't have to like it, but it's the case nonetheless. FWIW I completely agree with your post at the top of this page.