You pay a hefty premium for English players, I've never understood it personally, especially since the foreign player restriction limit was lifted under the Bosman Ruling. Only in England will a player of Andy Carroll's ability swap hands for £35m on the same day a player of Luis Suarez's ability swaps for £23m.
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Ross Barkley
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totallywired
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Of course they will have moved on in 2 or 3 years time, either buy now or miss out.chris85mcfc said:tolmie's hairdoo said:BlueDejong said:Why English players doesn't like City ?
The easy reply would be to say, 'Why do you think?'
But the real truth is we are now paying the price of previously buying mediocre/average English players, who simply couldn't cut it at the levels the rest of the team are able to produce.
The English media don't want to accept that reality, so it is easier to just label City as not being interested in having English players in the side on a regular basis.
The problem is not City's, it's an overrating and overpricing of slightly-above average players who just happen to have a British passport.
I would argue that only Rooney, Bale, Ashley Cole and John Terry, in his pomp, would have been good enough to play in this City team every week in the last few years.
Barkley is a fantastic talent, but still not good enough to start every week for City.
When we bought Barry, Lescott and Milner they were all at the right level individually to play at the level we were at under Hughes
Since them Mancini took us up a notch, and Pellegrini as took us up another notch on top of that
Unfortunately despite the fact that they are all good players to have knocking about, and include Micah in that, they aren't good enough for the level we are at now and certainly won't be at our level in a years/2 years time
In 2 or 3 years time, Shaw, Barkley and Stones will all be good enough to grace our team. Fingers crossed they won't have gone elsewhere by then.
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He looks good now..
As with most English players, he will get a taste for the beer and that will be that..
As with most English players, he will get a taste for the beer and that will be that..
If you look at the outcomes of our English signings in recent years they've all ranged from meh to crappy:
Bridge - crappy
Barry - meh
Lescott - meh
Johnson - crappy
Milner - meh
Rodwell - crappy
Sinclair - crappy
Net spend on these premium English players? £102 million. On the continent most of these players would swap hands for between £5-10 million tops.
Simply put, if you want value for money, you don't buy English.
Bridge - crappy
Barry - meh
Lescott - meh
Johnson - crappy
Milner - meh
Rodwell - crappy
Sinclair - crappy
Net spend on these premium English players? £102 million. On the continent most of these players would swap hands for between £5-10 million tops.
Simply put, if you want value for money, you don't buy English.
Bunk said:If you look at the outcomes of our English signings in recent years they've all ranged from meh to crappy:
Bridge - crappy
Barry - meh
Lescott - meh
Johnson - crappy
Milner - meh
Rodwell - crappy
Sinclair - crappy
Net spend on these premium English players? £102 million. On the continent most of these players would swap hands for between £5-10 million tops.
Simply put, if you want value for money, you don't buy English.
Very unfair that, considering Barry, Milner and Lescott all played a big part in our first title win. They're certainly not 'meh' as you put it, they were fine players, and Milner still is. Johnson was good at times (and didn't cost a great deal), and Rodwell has been unlucky with injuries.
So if you look at it realistically, MOST of our English signings have done us well.
Centurions
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+1RP2 said:Bunk said:If you look at the outcomes of our English signings in recent years they've all ranged from meh to crappy:
Bridge - crappy
Barry - meh
Lescott - meh
Johnson - crappy
Milner - meh
Rodwell - crappy
Sinclair - crappy
Net spend on these premium English players? £102 million. On the continent most of these players would swap hands for between £5-10 million tops.
Simply put, if you want value for money, you don't buy English.
Very unfair that, considering Barry, Milner and Lescott all played a big part in our first title win. They're certainly not 'meh' as you put it, they were fine players, and Milner still is. Johnson was good at times (and didn't cost a great deal), and Rodwell has been unlucky with injuries.
So if you look at it realistically, MOST of our English signings have done us well.
Bunk has got a well chosen nickname...
Bunk said:If you look at the outcomes of our English signings in recent years they've all ranged from meh to crappy:
Bridge - crappy
Barry - meh
Lescott - meh
Johnson - crappy
Milner - meh
Rodwell - crappy
Sinclair - crappy
Net spend on these premium English players? £102 million. On the continent most of these players would swap hands for between £5-10 million tops.
Simply put, if you want value for money, you don't buy English.
It doesn't change the fact that we paid far too much for those players but you're being awfully harsh on Barry, Lescott, Johnson, Milner in there. They all played a key part in our first title. You're right enough about your conclusion, but seriously underrating what some of those players brought to our squad.
RP2 said:Bunk said:If you look at the outcomes of our English signings in recent years they've all ranged from meh to crappy:
Bridge - crappy
Barry - meh
Lescott - meh
Johnson - crappy
Milner - meh
Rodwell - crappy
Sinclair - crappy
Net spend on these premium English players? £102 million. On the continent most of these players would swap hands for between £5-10 million tops.
Simply put, if you want value for money, you don't buy English.
Very unfair that, considering Barry, Milner and Lescott all played a big part in our first title win. They're certainly not 'meh' as you put it, they were fine players, and Milner still is. Johnson was good at times (and didn't cost a great deal), and Rodwell has been unlucky with injuries.
So if you look at it realistically, MOST of our English signings have done us well.
Yep- to cally Barry and Lescott especially 'meh' is a joke. Barry had a couple of incredibly good and effective seasons for us. Lescott had a great partnership with Kompany in the 2011/12 league winning season. He was also part of a defence that conceded the fewest goals a couple of years on the run, I think.
Milner has also been better than 'meh', and has made some key contributions throughout the last few seasons. Hasn't been as consistently prominent as the other 2 were though.
RP2 said:Very unfair that, considering Barry, Milner and Lescott all played a big part in our first title win. They're certainly not 'meh' as you put it, they were fine players, and Milner still is. Johnson was good at times (and didn't cost a great deal), and Rodwell has been unlucky with injuries.
So if you look at it realistically, MOST of our English signings have done us well.
Can't say I agree with you mate.
- If Barry was so good we wouldn't have lent him out to Everton
- If Lescott was so good we wouldn't have replaced him him with an 18 year old the very next season
- If Milner is so good he'd start most games (he doesn't)
- Johnson was certainly crappy every time he got a start
- Rodwell is clearly injury prone and this should be factored into his value
Bunk said:RP2 said:Very unfair that, considering Barry, Milner and Lescott all played a big part in our first title win. They're certainly not 'meh' as you put it, they were fine players, and Milner still is. Johnson was good at times (and didn't cost a great deal), and Rodwell has been unlucky with injuries.
So if you look at it realistically, MOST of our English signings have done us well.
Can't say I agree with you mate.
- If Barry was so good we wouldn't have lent him out to Everton
- If Lescott was so good we wouldn't have replaced him him with an 18 year old the very next season
- If Milner is so good he'd start most games (he doesn't)
- Johnson was certainly crappy every time he got a start
- Rodwell is clearly injury prone and this should be factored into his value
You're entirely missing the point.
On that basis you could say Tevez wasn't important for us becuase we sold him.
Or Shay Given even, very good for a couple of years, then we replaced him.
Just because we sell a player, or loan, doesn't mean they weren't important or effective at some point.
Barry played a pivitol role in our midfield. We have upgraded and he is good enough to be a starter for a team that finished 5th- not sit on the bench. Certainly wasn't 'meh'.
Lescott wasn't a great 'footballer' and not good enough for where we are going, but was important in our league winning defence, a defence that conceded the fewest league goals- he was a pivitol part of.