Russian Fans

[Unknown_Genius]

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By the confused nature of your gif, I take it you don't understand. Its okay though, its merely my personal observations, not a cryptic message informing you of the location of the fountain of eternal youth.

No I read you loud and clear.. I just don't know what to make of your false equivalence/value judgement that things are just as racist now, and in fact worse off, than when things were out in the open. On top of that you think it's legitimized now to be an underground racist?

so let me get this straight... the mainstream (and what does that even mean really? mainstream media? your friends and family?) views you as strange or rebellious if you are not a secret/sinister racist? these secret sinister racists sound dangerous. best not leave your house for fear of the secret sinister racists. (or let them out of your head, perhaps) what with their table manners and polite match-going behavior.

oh, if we could only go back 20 years when the racists were uncouth, then things would be more black and wh... oh.. well I guess things have gotten better haven't they.

We've made a shitload of progress, our kids will barely even see race (though I will grant you that there is evolutionary basis for fear of the different.. but keep in mind - we are always evolving), and that's why these few (but disproportionately loud) knobs in Eastern Europe stick in our craw so much; we're moving on, and they're trying to drag us back.

To answer your first question, it is acceptable to hold views that are racist in nature, because its not seen as racist. I never used the term 'underground racist' which brings up an impression of someone who posts racist stuff on Stormfront away from the eyes of his friends/family. What I'm referring to is the whole "I'm not racist, but..." attitude, which is common, and is generally on the whole seen as okay. By the mainstream, I'm referring to lots of different things, the media, the Sun is the most popular newspaper in the UK, a paper which demonises certain groups of people, promotes ignorance, prints false stories, and stops just short of advocating violence against these people. Look on facebook, and you find groups which tell certain people that if "they don't like it, then fuck off", or if you show supposed 'disrespect' you should be sent home. Instead of these attitudes being seen as negative, its now seen as love of your country. The worrying thing is, I've seen lots of my friends join these fb groups. There was no such thing as the EDL 20 years ago, and what was the BNP then was on its arse. There's been a rise in questions on Britishness, and identity, and this just feeds far right agenda's, because certain groups are seen as not belonging, or shouldn't belong.

We've havent made a shitload of progress. The only things thats changed is its now seen as unacceptable to chuck bananas at black footballers, and make monkey noises. Racism has just merely changed its form in society.

 

[green pennies]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkcq9BrGkog[/youtube]

 

[green pennies]

By the confused nature of your gif, I take it you don't understand. Its okay though, its merely my personal observations, not a cryptic message informing you of the location of the fountain of eternal youth.

No I read you loud and clear.. I just don't know what to make of your false equivalence/value judgement that things are just as racist now, and in fact worse off, than when things were out in the open. On top of that you think it's legitimized now to be an underground racist?

so let me get this straight... the mainstream (and what does that even mean really? mainstream media? your friends and family?) views you as strange or rebellious if you are not a secret/sinister racist? these secret sinister racists sound dangerous. best not leave your house for fear of the secret sinister racists. (or let them out of your head, perhaps) what with their table manners and polite match-going behavior.

oh, if we could only go back 20 years when the racists were uncouth, then things would be more black and wh... oh.. well I guess things have gotten better haven't they.

We've made a shitload of progress, our kids will barely even see race (though I will grant you that there is evolutionary basis for fear of the different.. but keep in mind - we are always evolving), and that's why these few (but disproportionately loud) knobs in Eastern Europe stick in our craw so much; we're moving on, and they're trying to drag us back.

To answer your first question, it is acceptable to hold views that are racist in nature, because its not seen as racist. I never used the term 'underground racist' which brings up an impression of someone who posts racist stuff on Stormfront away from the eyes of his friends/family. What I'm referring to is the whole "I'm not racist, but..." attitude, which is common, and is generally on the whole seen as okay. By the mainstream, I'm referring to lots of different things, the media, the Sun is the most popular newspaper in the UK, a paper which demonises certain groups of people, promotes ignorance, prints false stories, and stops just short of advocating violence against these people. Look on facebook, and you find groups which tell certain people that if "they don't like it, then fuck off", or if you show supposed 'disrespect' you should be sent home. Instead of these attitudes being seen as negative, its now seen as love of your country. The worrying thing is, I've seen lots of my friends join these fb groups. There was no such thing as the EDL 20 years ago, and what was the BNP then was on its arse. There's been a rise in questions on Britishness, and identity, and this just feeds far right agenda's, because certain groups are seen as not belonging, or shouldn't belong.

We've havent made a shitload of progress. The only things thats changed is its now seen as unacceptable to chuck bananas at black footballers, and make monkey noises. Racism has just merely changed its form in society.

After reading your comments, I have come to the conclusion that you and I are on the same team here.

Just one question: You don't think that maybe this is just a transitional phase? Like maybe it goes from banana chucking to ignorant facebook groups to just in the back of people's heads to not there at all?

Maybe I'm being silly, but I'm hopeful.

Now these yokels at Euro are going to go and curbstomp all over my hope.

 

[TrueBlue76]

On my phone so have no link at the moment.

Sky sports news ticker stating that police have intervened between fighting of Polish and Russian fans in Warsaw. Looks like it has started.

 

[toddluvzgta]

Well whatever they are,they look like fooking pricks. International football is supported by the majority of fans from smaller clubs-Grimsbys, Huddersfields etc...Haven't watched any of the euros and refuse to...shite

thanks for the info. cmon blues, the lad just wants to save his pounds for something else he deems more meaningful like City in Europe

I agree with st Helen's. A lot of the smaller clubs bum off England and semi support united. They can all get fked

Or they follow England abroad because they're never likely to see their own club paying in Europe. As for semi supporting United, fuck knows what that's suppose to mean.

ie Blackpool?

 

[Skashion]

There was no such thing as the EDL 20 years ago, and what was the BNP then was on its arse. There's been a rise in questions on Britishness, and identity, and this just feeds far right agenda's, because certain groups are seen as not belonging, or shouldn't belong.

Indeed, football hooligans had their fights at football in those days.

The BNP's a nothing party. Three fucking councillors out of twenty-one thousand and 2 MEPs out of 72 - and probably half the reason for those 2 MEPs is probably because 80% of the British public is anti-EU. If any of the mainstream parties were serious about pulling out I don't think they'd have any.

 

[SWP's back]

the way this whole racism and violence issue has been played out in the media world over is a disgrace,its as if they are goading the fans to be racist and violent.We are always going to have racism and were always going to have violence end of story everybody needs to move on,the world has gone soft!

"We are always going to have racism"........

I am at a loss...... someone switch the lights off please...

You think he is a thinking man with mma in his name?

 

[VOOMER]

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What right have Russian football fans got to have an impromptu march that anyone, with a reasonable knowledge of recent Polish-Russian history, knows would get this reaction. Its like Katyn and 50 years of soviet oppression never happened.

 

[cleavers]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18409776

What right have Russian football fans got to have an impromptu march that anyone, with a reasonable knowledge of recent Polish-Russian history, knows would get this reaction. Its like Katyn and 50 years of soviet oppression never happened.

Well the Polish authorities have allowed them to do it, stupid as that might sound given the history.

 

[MSP]

apparently one Russian fan killed