Russian invasion of Ukraine



Interesting view. While the support from the US is underwhelming in the sense that they could be doing far more. the fact that weapons are now being paid for its removing the vast majority of complaints about "giving" arms and costing the US. This means ( according to this guy ) that is far less likely that there will be pauses in hardware now that its actually paid for. And its those pauses that were allowing Russia to take advantage and make some of the bigger gains. ensuring a "no pause" flow of arms means the ability to plan properly etc.

He doesn't cover it as far as I saw but this also gives the time for the European arms industry to catch up. Right now there is vast sums of money promised for hardware but little means to spend it locally.
 
Very tricky to see how this all ends. Ukraine considers victory to be the recapture of all Ukrainian territory, which includes Crimea (lost in 2014, and now considered by Russia to be part of Russia itself), so it seems unclear how Ukraine could ever achieve that. Russia also doesn't seem to be able to make much headway after 3 years of trying, the whole thing has a First World War static/stalemate feel to it.
 
OnlyOneUweRosler said:
Very tricky to see how this all ends. Ukraine considers victory to be the recapture of all Ukrainian territory, which includes Crimea (lost in 2014, and now considered by Russia to be part of Russia itself), so it seems unclear how Ukraine could ever achieve that. Russia also doesn't seem to be able to make much headway after 3 years of trying, the whole thing has a First World War static/stalemate feel to it.
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ruSSia will never take the whole of Ukraine
The outcome will be decided by the ruSSian economy. If it survives, the ruSSians will keep hold of 20% of Ukraine
However, if it implodes, the ruSSian federation will collapse, which sounds great, but the world will become an even more dangerous place with huge power struggles and nukes falling into extreme regime hands
 
dickie davies said:
ruSSia will never take the whole of Ukraine
The outcome will be decided by the ruSSian economy. If it survives, the ruSSians will keep hold of 20% of Ukraine
However, if it implodes, the ruSSian federation will collapse, which sounds great, but the world will become an even more dangerous place with huge power struggles and nukes falling into extreme regime hands
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I would agree that short of a regime change in Russia (one that dramatically changes it, not just a Putin Mark 2 replacement) this war will rumble on for some time. China is helping keep Russia's economy afloat, and how to break sanctions. Interesting to see how long that can be sustained.
 
China is in a strange place, they keep saying they want an end to the war but are propping up the ruSSian economy and supplying them with the tools to prolong the war. Are they trying to drain the west's economy?
 
RadcliffeRick said:
China is in a strange place, they keep saying they want an end to the war but are propping up the ruSSian economy and supplying them with the tools to prolong the war. Are they trying to drain the west's economy?
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Long term all China will achieve is to make the west (excluding USA) militarily stronger and more independent
 
grunge said:


Interesting view. While the support from the US is underwhelming in the sense that they could be doing far more. the fact that weapons are now being paid for its removing the vast majority of complaints about "giving" arms and costing the US. This means ( according to this guy ) that is far less likely that there will be pauses in hardware now that its actually paid for. And its those pauses that were allowing Russia to take advantage and make some of the bigger gains. ensuring a "no pause" flow of arms means the ability to plan properly etc.

He doesn't cover it as far as I saw but this also gives the time for the European arms industry to catch up. Right now there is vast sums of money promised for hardware but little means to spend it locally.
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If tariffs are appropriate, being self sufficient may make USA manufactured material too expensive.
Long memory not a quick temper as Joe Mercer (I think) once suggested.
 
Ronnie the Rep said:
Long term all China will achieve is to make the west (excluding USA) militarily stronger and more independent
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I think it will make the US stronger too, russia (despite limited Chinese support) is getting weaker by the day, eventually russia will collapse from within imho, putin is powerful, but there are other powerful people in russia financially, eventually they will have had enough.
 
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