Russian invasion of Ukraine

They will be loving this division and slow making in the Kremlin. Whilst this dragging of feet goes on it gives them the opportunity to regroup and try again when spring comes along in a couple of months time. The U.K. government for once has got something right sending Challengers, everyone else should be doing their bit.

The UK government has got an awful lot right on Ukraine, often unilaterally - we should be proud. We know these 14 C2 tanks are just the start, we will at a minimum replace any loses but I suspect we will signal to sending a couple more squadrons worth by the time the spring arrives.
 
A reasonable question. Let's deal in facts please. At the same time, these claims seem plausible... please poster provide evidence.
His relationship with Lebedev was suspicious to say the least.
One example:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...ebedev-boris-johnson-private-russia-trip-plan
Unfortunately for Russia, Johnson did the right thing following the invasion, however it’s likely they thought they would have had less contribution to Ukraine from the U.K. due to the Lebedev relationship amongst other things.
 
Putin - if allowed to capture Ukraine - is absolutely going to push boundaries. Gas cutoffs to the West - Cyber attacks - amassing a military presence on Poland's borders - claiming that Nazi agents and USA biolabs are active in Poland and are threating Russia - interference in elections... and on and on. At some point, Russia will absolutely invade Poland.

Meanwhile, Putin is going to die in the next decade or so. Might his successor be as aggressive or even more so - almost certainly Putin has arranged for succession - so there's probably no let off in aggression once Putin dies.
Invade Poland, invade NATO. Ain't going to happen
 
His relationship with Lebedev was suspicious to say the least.
One example:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...ebedev-boris-johnson-private-russia-trip-plan
Unfortunately for Russia, Johnson did the right thing following the invasion, however it’s likely they thought they would have had less contribution to Ukraine from the U.K. due to the Lebedev relationship amongst other things.

For balance The Standard was pretty quick to condemn Putin for the war and Johnson for his partygate and his lies.

I agree Putin was shocked at the western response but I don’t think he thought we’d not react due to tentative relationships but because we hadn’t really reacted to his previous actions. Much like Hitler really when he went into the Rhineland after we hadn’t reacted to his announcement of building up his armed forces (for defence). No one blinked. Inaction builds confidence in the other side to go further. Had we not drawn a line with Ukraine 100% he’d have gone further in some capacity.
 
Just give Ukraine tanks already, FFS - USA and Germany both. Stop Putin from killing Ukraine!

If that fucker Putin is going to retaliate using nukes, then he's going to do so and there's nothing we can do about it. If we cave on Ukraine, next up is Poland and on and on. We can't let this go.

Meanwhile, I really think we should up sanctions against Russia. Cut off oil/natural gas revenue. This may be a bridge too far - but by not cutting off this source of revenue, the West is simply funding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Russian energy income is tanking. They are selling oil at cost, well below the 60 dollar sanctions level. The volume is crashing and they have announced a cutback in oil production. Sales to China and India are limited by small pipelines and a lack of LNG facilities. Surprisingly, secondary sanctions have successfully disrupted shipping and insurance arrangements. Maintenance of production facilities has been hit by technology sanctions.
Still some way to go, but they have already lost the equivalent of 10% of GDP.
The Russian economy is struggling big time.
 
Russian energy income is tanking. They are selling oil at cost, well below the 60 dollar sanctions level. The volume is crashing and they have announced a cutback in oil production. Sales to China and India are limited by small pipelines and a lack of LNG facilities. Surprisingly, secondary sanctions have successfully disrupted shipping and insurance arrangements. Maintenance of production facilities has been hit by technology sanctions.
Still some way to go, but they have already lost the equivalent of 10% of GDP.
The Russian economy is struggling big time.

Inject it in my veins.
 
Putin - if allowed to capture Ukraine - is absolutely going to push boundaries. Gas cutoffs to the West - Cyber attacks - amassing a military presence on Poland's borders - claiming that Nazi agents and USA biolabs are active in Poland and are threating Russia - interference in elections... and on and on. At some point, Russia will absolutely invade Poland.

Meanwhile, Putin is going to die in the next decade or so. Might his successor be as aggressive or even more so - almost certainly Putin has arranged for succession - so there's probably no let off in aggression once Putin dies.
The Cold War is over, so let’s have a hot one. The end of history? I think not, Mr. Fukuyama.
 
For balance The Standard was pretty quick to condemn Putin for the war and Johnson for his partygate and his lies.

I agree Putin was shocked at the western response but I don’t think he thought we’d not react due to tentative relationships but because we hadn’t really reacted to his previous actions. Much like Hitler really when he went into the Rhineland after we hadn’t reacted to his announcement of building up his armed forces (for defence). No one blinked. Inaction builds confidence in the other side to go further. Had we not drawn a line with Ukraine 100% he’d have gone further in some capacity.
Fair comment, however it seems likely that Putin was emboldened to some extent by having what he thought was a compromised PM in the UK. His miscalculation was that most people in the UK didn’t care about Johnson’s shenanigans so he had no hold on him.
 
Fair comment, however it seems likely that Putin was emboldened to some extent by having what he thought was a compromised PM in the UK. His miscalculation was that most people in the UK didn’t care about Johnson’s shenanigans so he had no hold on him.

His perfect time to invade would have been end of 2019, wonder if covid stopped him from doing it. Would have had Trump and Johnson.
 

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