Russian invasion of Ukraine

[xgorton]

I'm genuinely proud of Britains' response to Russia's invasion. I think the Germans (and the French) need to either hold their leaders to account or hold their heads in shame.

History won't look back fondly on a country that cowers to bullies.

Proud of Britain ? We need to sought this shit hole out,foodbanks, Tory lies,you think Boris being in the Ukraine there's nothing in it for him and his mates ? Unbelievable.Also you having a go at the French and the Germans FFS.Bet you are getting your flag ready for the Coronation with the other idiots.

 

[Hes the left back remember]

What is the eventual outcome of this? Looking at it from the outside ,what is Russias gain? A country or the majority of a country they take over despising them ? Could there be an impasse where Ukraine accept loss of Crimea ? Face saving or is it total win or lose in the eyes of the deranged putin.

 

[CTID1977]

Wont be there this year ?

in March

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

True for 1941 and most of 1942. Not 1943 onwards.
The Soviet General Staff Supreme Command (Stavka) met in April 1940 to review the lessons of the Finnish campaign and recommended reforms in terms of military command structures (reduced role for comisasars, promotion through military excellence etc), tactics (more artilary and much better combined arms deployment) and equipment (arms, clothing) and logistics.
The conclusion was that Russia MUST avoid war with Germany till mid to late 1942 - even though they knew war was inevitable.
The rapid defeat of France a month later came as a massive shock to the Russians and made them even keener to avoid war in the short to medium term.
The reforms were only partially complete when Nazi Germany attacked.

True. Also notable that Stalin was mid 'Purge' of his generals in 1940/41. This purge following the great purge of 1937 when circa 1m people were killed all in the name of shoring up the stalin regime. Crazy stuff was going on back then.

1941 Red Army Purge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[flook]

Interesting NYT article on the rivalry developing Putin and his Chef...

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That **** is more worrisome the Pootin tbh

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Spain have announced at the top end of that quoted range -

 

[KS55]

What is the eventual outcome of this? Looking at it from the outside ,what is Russias gain? A country or the majority of a country they take over despising them ? Could there be an impasse where Ukraine accept loss of Crimea ? Face saving or is it total win or lose in the eyes of the deranged putin.

It’s a fight to the bitter end.

 

[cleavers]

Interesting NYT article on the rivalry developing Putin and his Chef...

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None of that sounds good for "the world" sadly.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

What is the eventual outcome of this? Looking at it from the outside ,what is Russias gain? A country or the majority of a country they take over despising them ? Could there be an impasse where Ukraine accept loss of Crimea ? Face saving or is it total win or lose in the eyes of the deranged putin.

It's difficult to see where it goes. Russia is in decline, this war and the sanctions are seriously draining their resources.

How long can they go on is an open question. But they also have significant military resources held back, if Putin really wanted to he could flood Ukraine with troops, but at what cost and at what point does someone significant say no. That is the balance he is trying to make. Sending in Wagner convicts is of little consequence but also little impact. Sending in the family and friends of the Moscow elite would go badly for him.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Training for Ukrainian Forces on the Challenger 2 tanks,starts Monday.

Slava Ukraini.