Russian invasion of Ukraine

[mosssideblue]

Putin won’t agree to a Referendum unless they get to run it. And if he does the result will be in before the polls close.

absolutely this

 

[cleavers]

Putin won’t agree to a Referendum unless they get to run it. And if he does the result will be in before the polls open.

Corrected for you ;-)

 

[RadcliffeRick]

He can be as stubborn as he likes mate but the sad truth is it’s not his call. If the US get itchy feet Ukraine won’t be able to fight on.

The compromise deal is:
- Power sharing in the Donbas with a referendum in 10 years to decide if they want to be part of Russia or Ukraine.
- 100 year lease of Crimea by Russia.

If offered something along those lines they are taking that all day long. That’s defeat for Russia but gives them something they can spin as victory.

The cherry on top would be:
- Ukraine join NATO (well we need them on side now as they have all our weapons!).
- A peace agreement between Russia/NATO that we will never attack Russia unless self defence and vice versa.

It's really nieve to think/suggest that ruSSia would adhere to any agreement. They do not have a great track record of respecting other countries or agreements.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The leaker has been arrested.
It is worrying that such a lowly staffer in the US Air National Guard has access to such data.

This gives me hope that a lot of it is bollox.

 

[Username Required]

IMO Russia will never agree to give up the Crimea.

Putin’s Crimea Mythmaking

www.wilsoncenter.org

Crimean speech of Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Yeah, most were, but we were told that certain places (and bars in particular) were to be avoided, and that was in a smallish town.

We made friends with some, and of course they were fine, but there was still resentment.

not unlike Wales or Scotland then

 

[RadcliffeRick]

The leaker has been arrested.
It is worrying that such a lowly staffer in the US Air National Guard has access to such data.

This gives me hope that a lot of it is bollox.

He seems to hold a lowly position that would not gave access to these documents. Or maybe I am wrong and the Americans circulate these freely.

 

[RadcliffeRick]

not unlike Wales or Scotland then

Or certain estates in and around Manchester :-)

 

[City Hobgoblin]

The leaker has been arrested.
It is worrying that such a lowly staffer in the US Air National Guard has access to such data.

This gives me hope that a lot of it is bollox.

Apparently he is a devout Chistian believer in God, and a gun enthusiast.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Putin won’t agree to a Referendum unless they get to run it. And if he does the result will be in before the polls close.

Will Putin still be here in 10 years?