Russian invasion of Ukraine

[mosssideblue]

IMO Russia will never agree to give up the Crimea.

Putin’s Crimea Mythmaking

www.wilsoncenter.org

Crimean speech of Vladimir Putin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They may be forced to

 

[SilverFox2]

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So much info in this. Many thanks for making it available.

 

[St.Pauli support]

- A peace agreement between Russia/NATO that we will never attack Russia unless self defence and vice versa.

Oh, no problem for Putin to declare! The reason to bomb Ukraine since 14 months was and is:
'self defence'.

The compromise deal is:
- Power sharing in the Donbas...

Now I would be very interested to hear what that would mean in real life. The same 'power sharing' like the last 9 years in Donbas?... No chance.

Admit, you've been smoking some very bad quality!

 

[grunge]

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He can be as stubborn as he likes mate but the sad truth is it’s not his call. If the US get itchy feet Ukraine won’t be able to fight on.

The compromise deal is:
- Power sharing in the Donbas with a referendum in 10 years to decide if they want to be part of Russia or Ukraine.
- 100 year lease of Crimea by Russia.

If offered something along those lines they are taking that all day long. That’s defeat for Russia but gives them something they can spin as victory.

The cherry on top would be:
- Ukraine join NATO (well we need them on side now as they have all our weapons!).
- A peace agreement between Russia/NATO that we will never attack Russia unless self defence and vice versa.

This is what NATO is anyways. NATO will never attack Russia unless it’s self defence. NATO attacking Russia has never been on the cards, the fact that NATO didn’t flatten Russia when the missiles hit a Poland shows this. It was the perfect pretence and the perfect time to do it if it was wanted.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

Apparently he is a devout Chistian believer in God, and a gun enthusiast.

Yep right wing twitter is going crazy over Biden having boots on ground and failing against Russia, while Trump would have won the nobel peace prize by nuking Ukraine with ketchup!!!!

 

[KS55]

Putin won’t agree to a Referendum unless they get to run it. And if he does the result will be in before the polls close.

BREAKING…
Ukraine votes to become part of Russia, by a huge margin. Polls open 8 a.m. tomorrow.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I agree with all of that.

I know Zelensky likes to give it the big'un (and rightly so) but a part of any peace negotiation is ultimately going to involve Ukraine officially giving up Crimea IMO.

Why would Ukraine enter into any agreement with a country that never keeps to them.

Would you?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Why would Ukraine enter into any agreement with a country that never keeps to them.

Would you?

I didn’t say that’s what I think should happen, I said that’s what I think will happen.

Most wars end around a table. It’s how it works.

 

[aguero93:20]

Apparently he's a ****.

 

[aguero93:20]

I didn’t say that’s what I think should happen, I said that’s what I think will happen.

Most wars end around a table. It’s how it works.

In WW2's case with people sitting around a table doing shots of cyanide.