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It's just a ridiculous notion, but I'm interested to hear the answer.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
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CTID1977
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yes! fucking yes!
Scottyboi
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I love you .
-20 points for showing affection to a westerner.
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old-boys-YYF
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you got it !-20 points for showing affection to a westerner.
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old-boys-YYF
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Relax, friends, don't be so serious.
If you completely dislike my views on the Russia Ukraine war, there is no problem. I am not trying to persuade people to agree with me. Don't get angry.
If you completely dislike my views on the Russia Ukraine war, there is no problem. I am not trying to persuade people to agree with me. Don't get angry.
Scottyboi
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I'm not angry, it is interesting to get the perspective of someone based in China. Confirms what I thought.Relax, friends, don't be so serious.
If you completely dislike my views on the Russia Ukraine war, there is no problem. I am not trying to persuade people to agree with me. Don't get angry.
The Stockport Iniesta
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Can you stop derailing the thread please. People come here to read about the war.Relax, friends, don't be so serious.
If you completely dislike my views on the Russia Ukraine war, there is no problem. I am not trying to persuade people to agree with me. Don't get angry.
Scottyboi
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From "The Analyst"
STATE OF PLAY FOR RUSSIA
The Russian military has so many problems it’s hard to imagine sometimes how it continues to function. Fear generated by propaganda and harsh discipline, coupled to low education standards maintain a level of control that would fail miserably anywhere else. An educated force would have better comprehension of its own situation - Russian troops are lucky if they even know exactly where they are. Recent interviews published from surrendered troops show yet again the meat wave tactics, but worse still their failure and consequences.
One man described how they were told there were no minefields and watched as half his unit were blown up on mines. They injured tried to crawl back, and rather than deal with it the Russian commanders ordered
mortars fired to kill the remainder as there was no medical care. This, yet another example of the value of life in Russian military service.
Overall then, what does Russia have for the future on the ground?
It seems to be be continuing its ‘wide war’ strategy of piercing front line areas to see how much of a reaction the attacks raise from Ukraine. They’re intended to keep Ukraine on its toes but also ensure that they might find a weak spot they could exploit. The question that needs answering is why bother if you don’t have the resources to exploit such a strategy?
The huge amounts of manpower it continues to suck in, the source of which is almost as morally reprehensible as the rest of their governments policies - mental hospitals, vagrants, the unemployed, anyone with a new passport or recent naturalisation, those with right to reside for work, foreign nationals on work visas, ethnic minorities, discharged medical patients, debtors, mortgage defaulters, social security recipients. Basically anyone and everyone who is vulnerable and has no means of resistance, is being dragged in through Russia’s digital mobilisation plan. This is approved government policy, documented and enforced.
So with this endless source of manpower which remains largely untrained and under equipped let alone fed or even trusted, how will Russia launch any meaningful offensive?
Some argue that Avdivka was the last realistic throw of the dice, they just don’t have the resources to carry it through but haven’t yet realised it - that same old command structure box. ‘There’s your kit, we’ve given you an extra large box this time’, and you use it until it’s gone. It’s not quite gone yet but it’s getting there. It was an impressive show of strength and highly risky given the pressure elsewhere. Yet when you think how much was truly involved it’s nothing like the scale of anything from Russia’s past. It has the feeling of an operation that was scraped together, months of preparations and equipment had to be saved up to get it underway. That they could do that tells you not to underestimate their capabilities and there many areas where we should not. But their real ability to mount an aggressive frontline campaign designed to take territory on a wider scale? Even the Russians don’t see that happening.
What they have are the territorial negotiating weapons. The drones and the missiles, the air launched glide bombs. They also have the tactical drones that are so numerous conventional warfare for both sides in fixed positions requires constant awareness and constant vigilance.
The war on the frontlines is likely to be increasingly quiet over the coming months. There will be a sore point of attritional fighting - Avdivka is most likely. But it’s the endless cruise missiles - over 870 are now believed to be stockpiled - and huge numbers of Russian assembled Iranian drones - are going to be unleashed.
Russia has spent resources mapping Ukraine’s power grid and testing out new flight paths and methods of reaching targets that are complex and difficult. They know the missile defences are vastly improved - they also know they’re never the same radar layout twice as they must be moved to avoid becoming a target themselves. CONTINUES…
STATE OF PLAY FOR RUSSIA
The Russian military has so many problems it’s hard to imagine sometimes how it continues to function. Fear generated by propaganda and harsh discipline, coupled to low education standards maintain a level of control that would fail miserably anywhere else. An educated force would have better comprehension of its own situation - Russian troops are lucky if they even know exactly where they are. Recent interviews published from surrendered troops show yet again the meat wave tactics, but worse still their failure and consequences.
One man described how they were told there were no minefields and watched as half his unit were blown up on mines. They injured tried to crawl back, and rather than deal with it the Russian commanders ordered
mortars fired to kill the remainder as there was no medical care. This, yet another example of the value of life in Russian military service.
Overall then, what does Russia have for the future on the ground?
It seems to be be continuing its ‘wide war’ strategy of piercing front line areas to see how much of a reaction the attacks raise from Ukraine. They’re intended to keep Ukraine on its toes but also ensure that they might find a weak spot they could exploit. The question that needs answering is why bother if you don’t have the resources to exploit such a strategy?
The huge amounts of manpower it continues to suck in, the source of which is almost as morally reprehensible as the rest of their governments policies - mental hospitals, vagrants, the unemployed, anyone with a new passport or recent naturalisation, those with right to reside for work, foreign nationals on work visas, ethnic minorities, discharged medical patients, debtors, mortgage defaulters, social security recipients. Basically anyone and everyone who is vulnerable and has no means of resistance, is being dragged in through Russia’s digital mobilisation plan. This is approved government policy, documented and enforced.
So with this endless source of manpower which remains largely untrained and under equipped let alone fed or even trusted, how will Russia launch any meaningful offensive?
Some argue that Avdivka was the last realistic throw of the dice, they just don’t have the resources to carry it through but haven’t yet realised it - that same old command structure box. ‘There’s your kit, we’ve given you an extra large box this time’, and you use it until it’s gone. It’s not quite gone yet but it’s getting there. It was an impressive show of strength and highly risky given the pressure elsewhere. Yet when you think how much was truly involved it’s nothing like the scale of anything from Russia’s past. It has the feeling of an operation that was scraped together, months of preparations and equipment had to be saved up to get it underway. That they could do that tells you not to underestimate their capabilities and there many areas where we should not. But their real ability to mount an aggressive frontline campaign designed to take territory on a wider scale? Even the Russians don’t see that happening.
What they have are the territorial negotiating weapons. The drones and the missiles, the air launched glide bombs. They also have the tactical drones that are so numerous conventional warfare for both sides in fixed positions requires constant awareness and constant vigilance.
The war on the frontlines is likely to be increasingly quiet over the coming months. There will be a sore point of attritional fighting - Avdivka is most likely. But it’s the endless cruise missiles - over 870 are now believed to be stockpiled - and huge numbers of Russian assembled Iranian drones - are going to be unleashed.
Russia has spent resources mapping Ukraine’s power grid and testing out new flight paths and methods of reaching targets that are complex and difficult. They know the missile defences are vastly improved - they also know they’re never the same radar layout twice as they must be moved to avoid becoming a target themselves. CONTINUES…
Scottyboi
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CONTINUED…
Recently a Ukrainian national and Russian sympathiser was arrested after deploying small networked cameras on lamp posts all over southern Kyiv to map the travels of military air defence equipment to send to the FSB. They will leave no stone unturned.
Russia believes that the grid and the industrial factories that produce so much of Ukraine’s war equipment are viable targets - even if much of it is highly distributed so no single point of loss proves fatal to production.
But it’s a cost effective pressure and they still think it will force negotiations in the new year. They think Ukraine knows the war is stuck. They just need to convince them. That’s Russia’s aim now. Hold the line and wait until reality sets in and the west gets bored with feeding a stalemate.
Only Ukraine can change that thinking. Politically and militarily Ukraine must survive the winter and in 2024 it must - it has to - teach Russia it’s not done yet. That alone is an expectation that will only grow and comes with its own realities. The stakes are higher now than ever. Putin knows this game. Zelensky and his people must bluff him down and outplay him to win, and win big.
With western support this can be won. All of us must make our leadership and parliamentary representatives aware it’s the least we expect. No matter how afraid the West is of the consequences of winning.
Slava Ukraine !
Recently a Ukrainian national and Russian sympathiser was arrested after deploying small networked cameras on lamp posts all over southern Kyiv to map the travels of military air defence equipment to send to the FSB. They will leave no stone unturned.
Russia believes that the grid and the industrial factories that produce so much of Ukraine’s war equipment are viable targets - even if much of it is highly distributed so no single point of loss proves fatal to production.
But it’s a cost effective pressure and they still think it will force negotiations in the new year. They think Ukraine knows the war is stuck. They just need to convince them. That’s Russia’s aim now. Hold the line and wait until reality sets in and the west gets bored with feeding a stalemate.
Only Ukraine can change that thinking. Politically and militarily Ukraine must survive the winter and in 2024 it must - it has to - teach Russia it’s not done yet. That alone is an expectation that will only grow and comes with its own realities. The stakes are higher now than ever. Putin knows this game. Zelensky and his people must bluff him down and outplay him to win, and win big.
With western support this can be won. All of us must make our leadership and parliamentary representatives aware it’s the least we expect. No matter how afraid the West is of the consequences of winning.
Slava Ukraine !
roubaixtuesday
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I am watching a football match, Hanoi FC vs. Wuhan, socialism derby, which will definitely help me earn more social credit points. Guys, this is really funny, if you like this kind of joke.
You supporting a fascist invasion fails to raise any laughs.
Deflecting to football is also not amusing in the slightest.
I know, very dull of me not to find humour in murderous genocide.