Russian invasion of Ukraine

[City Hobgoblin]

Where’s the hawkishness gone that existed in the Republican Party that likes facing down a foreign country. It’s bizarre there seems to be more dislike for Ukraine than a long time enemy like Russia. Unfortunately it’s probably the same situation like here in the U.K. where Russian Oligarchs own most of Mayfair, they’d rather take the money than putting Russia back in their place.

Many Russians who left Russia and brought their money out with them did so because they hated where Russia was headed under Putin's regime.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Where’s the hawkishness gone that existed in the Republican Party that likes facing down a foreign country.

American First is a very parochial viewpoint, largely uncaring of happenings beyond US borders. And this is precisely what Trump, all MAGA, and a lot of Republicans believe in.

Who cares what happens in Europe? - doesn't affect me... why are we spending money to fund NATO when there's so much poverty in the USA?... and so forth. That's the mindset that will shortly run US government for the next 4 years.

Where's the hawkishness gone? It's been mostly voted out of office, with of course, some exceptions.

 

[Scottyboi]

American First is a very parochial viewpoint, largely uncaring of happenings beyond US borders. And this is precisely what Trump, all MAGA, and a lot of Republicans believe in.

Who cares what happens in Europe? - doesn't affect me... why are we spending money to fund NATO when there's so much poverty in the USA?... and so forth. That's the mindset that will shortly run US governance for the next 4 years.

It would be a fair point thinking like that, except the US has spent the last 80 years policing the world and becoming the number 1 superpower by a distance after taking advantage of European empires bankrupting themselves. To potentially becoming isolationist and leaving Europe in the lurch when it needs the US most is just typical of the self serving fucks.

But still Israel will be looked after...

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

It would be a fair point thinking like that, except the US has spent the last 80 years policing the world and becoming the number 1 superpower by a distance after taking advantage of European empires bankrupting themselves. To potentially becoming isolationist and leaving Europe in the lurch when it needs the US most is just typical of the self serving fucks.

But still Israel will be looked after...

To an extent. Trump isn't the biggest fan of Netanyahu

 

[grunge]

American First is a very parochial viewpoint, largely uncaring of happenings beyond US borders. And this is precisely what Trump, all MAGA, and a lot of Republicans believe in.

Who cares what happens in Europe? - doesn't affect me... why are we spending money to fund NATO when there's so much poverty in the USA?... and so forth. That's the mindset that will shortly run US government for the next 4 years.

Where's the hawkishness gone? It's been mostly voted out of office, with of course, some exceptions.

I guess a lot of people in the US will be surprised that even if the US drops out of NATO it wont reduce the US's military spend. it will probably increase it. It certainly wont change the military doctrine that the US has of wanting to be able to take on the rest of the world combined and win.

 

[Pedestrian]

To an extent. Trump isn't the biggest fan of Netanyahu

That relationship will last as long as trumps ring is kissed. I can’t see Netanyahu sustaining that. Two utter cretins.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I guess a lot of people in the US will be surprised that even if the US drops out of NATO it wont reduce the US's military spend. it will probably increase it. It certainly wont change the military doctrine that the US has of wanting to be able to take on the rest of the world combined and win.

With due respect - I think you'll be surprised at just how badly you misunderstand what's going to happen under Trump. Among MAGA, there's zero appetite for any sort of military presence in Europe whatsoever.

 

[grunge]

With due respect - I think you'll be surprised at just how badly you misunderstand what's going to happen under Trump. Among MAGA, there's zero appetite for any sort of military presence in Europe whatsoever.

Unless they want to change the doctrine of being the most powerful country on the planet and risk the likes of China taking over nothing is going to change in the US military spend.

US military spend has nothing to do with being in NATO.

Being out of NATO may well mean needing to increase spend to allow for going it alone, as in removed bases in Europe they will probably just build a new carrier group to cover the short fall.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Unless they want to change the doctrine of being the most powerful country on the planet and risk the likes of China taking over nothing is going to change in the US military spend.

US military spend has nothing to do with being in NATO.

Being out of nato may well mean needing to increase spend to allow for going it alone.

Once more, I think you fundamentally misunderstand what MAGA stands for - it's parochialism - I, me, mine - who cares what happens beyond my borders.

Some Republicans - even those elected may object to total abandonment of Europe - and too, Dems will vote party line against such actions.

But is that going to be enough? I doubt it.

Trump is going to withdraw the USA from all international committees that don't fit his viewpoint of America First - and NATO will be among the first.

 

[grunge]

Once more, I think you fundamentally misunderstand what MAGA stands for - it's parochialism - I, me, mine - who cares what happens beyond my borders.

Some Republicans - even those elected may object to total abandonment of Europe - and too, Dems will vote party line against such actions.

But is that going to be enough? I doubt it.

Trump is going to withdraw the USA from all international committees that don't fit his viewpoint of America First - and NATO will be among the first.

I get what you are saying but I don’t think you’re understanding my point. Unless the US wants to drop its stance of being able to defend its self against the rest of the world combined nothing is going to change in its military spend.

Its nothing to do with what’s going on outside US borders but being able to defend US borders against anyone/everyone.

US military spend is unrelated to Europe or NATO. So withdrawing from NATO and Europe will make no difference.