Russian invasion of Ukraine

I don’t think you’re understanding my point. Unless the US wants to drop its stance of being able to defend its self against the rest of the world combined nothing is going to change in its military spend.

Its nothing to do with what’s going on outside US borders but being able to defend US borders against anyone/everyone
And, to repeat, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand MAGA.

MAGA is isonationalist. Parochial. Myopic. Beyond the borders of US-Canada and US-Mexico, they don't give a fuck what happens.
 
And, to repeat, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand MAGA.

MAGA is isonationalist. Parochial. Myopic. Beyond the borders of US-Canada and US-Mexico, they don't give a fuck what happens.
I can only guess at this point your intentionally misunderstanding what im saying. I cant make it any clearer. US military docterine is to be able to defend its self against all comers. nothing to do with Europe, nothing to do with NATO, nothing to do with wars in other areas of the planet, everything to do with defending its self. Reducing military spend reduces that ability to defend its self. therfore I see no reduction in military spend happening.
 
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0 chance America withdraw NATO
ZERO!
I wasn't very enthusiastic about betting as did some on this forum that Harris would win the election. I thought that she would but very slightly so.

That said, I'm nearly 100% certain that the US will withdraw from NATO under Trump. It's a fait accompli.
 
I wasn't very enthusiastic about betting as did some on this forum that Harris would win the election. I thought that she would but very slightly so.

That said, I'm nearly 100% certain that the US will withdraw from NATO under Trump. It's a fait accompli.

as mentioned earlier, its not up to Trump, it needs senate approval now as well. if the reupbilicans' get the senate/house then yeah they are out I reckon.

 
I wasn't very enthusiastic about betting as did some on this forum that Harris would win the election. I thought that she would but very slightly so.

That said, I'm nearly 100% certain that the US will withdraw from NATO under Trump. It's a fait accompli.
If that happens, I'm 100% certain Trump will be killed.
 
American First is a very parochial viewpoint, largely uncaring of happenings beyond US borders. And this is precisely what Trump, all MAGA, and a lot of Republicans believe in.

Who cares what happens in Europe? - doesn't affect me... why are we spending money to fund NATO when there's so much poverty in the USA?... and so forth. That's the mindset that will shortly run US government for the next 4 years.

Where's the hawkishness gone? It's been mostly voted out of office, with of course, some exceptions.
Mostly replaced by the save Tesla movement no doubt placing 100 percent tarrifs on EVs from China.
Let's make America great again is the cry by Trump so batten down the hatches and place that at the top of the agenda rather than policing the world.
 
Mostly replaced by the save Tesla movement no doubt placing 100 percent tarrifs on EVs from China.
Let's make America great again is the cry by Trump so batten down the hatches and place that at the top of the agenda rather than policing the world.
Just so - policing the world is at priority negative infinity under Trump.
 
If you look at modern warfare do you now need a large standing army? Tanks are now looking obsolete as you can pick them off with drones dropping stuff through the hatches, having more troops available just gives more targets for the drone operators to pick off. Russia has a much larger army than Ukraine, it’s not delivered significant objectives of taking the country. It’s kept them fighting the war longer but delivered a stale mate.

A country like the U.K. which is an island and has a nuclear deterrent a large standing army isn’t required specially as we are in NATO. Spending needs to be on drones, artificial intelligence. Those nice new worker robots that Elon Musk has been showing off, there will be ones with a nasty switch incorporated in development somewhere to go stand on a battlefield instead of people.
I disagree about Tanks and Armoured Vehicles - The Trophy system is being updated to take out drones as well as AT missiles so as at every conflict since 1973 I think the death of the tank is well over stated.
 

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