Russian invasion of Ukraine

[CTID1977]

guess who's boss was her daddy back in leningrad?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The United States has donated almost double the amount of aid the European Union has promised as a whole, new data shows.

Between 24 January and 3 October, the US has committed to €52.3bn in aid.

This compares to €29.2bn from EU countries and institutions.

The UK has provided €6.65bn - making it the second highest contributing country.

Sounds like NATO!

 

[domalino]

No, but can you name one who had access to the means?

I'm not disagreeing with you but your argument is a little one sided

They all had the means.

Maybe not on the scale of nuclear weapons but every dictator ever toppled has had the means to take as many people as they can out with them and they've never done it.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

"Never interrupt your enemy,when he is making a mistake".....Napoleon Bonaparte.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Sounds like NATO!

The US loves guns and all things military. They have a massive budget that gets rolled every year. The top brass will be loving this as they get to see the gear in action against the old enemy but without having to put boots on the ground.

For them what is the point of having high end anti tank weapons if not to fire at russian tanks?

 

[MafeotulBlue]

I believe and hope it will be over by next summer.

Ukraine has already won and Putin is just processing what he can now salvage.

We won't get involved beyond the point we and the US already are. Ukraine just wants the tools to finish the job, they have the manpower and the will.

It's one thing losing the invasion of Ukraine, it is a different story to contemplate losing an uninhabitable Russia back to the Stone Age, using nuclear weapons just to save face.

So many checks and balances, so many people who, at that stage, would have Putin gone in the blink of an eye.

I think we all hope this would end tomorrow. I highly doubt this will be over in 2023. I am not necessarily a pessimistic person, but there are no guarantees left in terms of brokering a deal with the Russian Federation, and no sane NATO/EU leader that would even contemplate actually sitting with an increasingly insane dictator to re-carve whatever fractions of relationships are left between us, moreover with a RF that would be in a losing position.

The world nuclear sounds far fetched. So did this war, so did Covid in its first two-three-five weeks. At some point reality does bite however. I don't necessarily believe we're going towards a nuclear war. But we are definitely going towards a world in which everything we knew about world peace, stability and conflict is being re-drawn. Many war specialists and governments have quite simply explained the risk is at the highest it has ever been.

No rules were respected in this conflict, no old legal proceedings and deals, not even mentioning war crimes, there is no sane and genuine indicator that the little nonce would not cross another line as he has been doing for the last 8 months.

Yes, Ukraine is winning, will most likely win more. But to look at this and simply say, he won't do this because x,y,z is no longer viable. He's been doing nearly everything he wanted. No reason to stop now.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Bakhmut and Avdiivka......Wagner gonna be sorry for having a go.
Watch this space.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[CTID1977]

Bakhmut and Avdiivka......Wagner gonna be sorry for having a go.
Watch this space.

Slava Ukraini.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

We are no closer than we were a month ago or 3 months ago.

I believe differently.

Depends on how long Putin lasts and who replaces him. The fall of the Berlin Wall should teach us all that things can unravel with bewildering speed when events taken over.

I meant the UK being drawn into conflict rather than NATO as a whole.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

They are getting obliterated mate.

Slava Ukraini.