Russian invasion of Ukraine


It's not all doom and gloom, in the long term Europe will be stronger and more independent as a result, but we have to stop the infighting and cooperate between countries in the EU and out of it like the UK. Ukraine and Turkey will have big roles in arming and protecting Europe.
Feels like a few years of economic pain will position the EU and the UK to operate independent of the US nicely.

Although this, from the opening paragraph, doesn't fill me with confidence :_

...from Rheinmettal in Germany to BAE in the UK and Dassault in France, and their are many more.
 
Feels like a few years of economic pain will position the EU and the UK to operate independent of the US nicely.

Although this, from the opening paragraph, doesn't fill me with confidence :_

...from Rheinmettal in Germany to BAE in the UK and Dassault in France, and their are many more.

Haha take it with a ladle of salt as always!
 

It's not all doom and gloom, in the long term Europe will be stronger and more independent as a result, but we have to stop the infighting and cooperate between countries in the EU and out of it like the UK. Ukraine and Turkey will have big roles in arming and protecting Europe.
Good to see you posting again pal :-)
 
The 9th May parade in Moscow,will consist of borrowed military equipment from Kazakhstan.
I doubt Kazakhstan will get it back.

Slava Ukraini.
 

It's not all doom and gloom, in the long term Europe will be stronger and more independent as a result, but we have to stop the infighting and cooperate between countries in the EU and out of it like the UK. Ukraine and Turkey will have big roles in arming and protecting Europe.
We need to do this for more than just the military, we need full strategic autonomy. As well as the threat of having access to weapons platforms pulled from under us, there are also other dependencies we have that open us up to coercion. The key ones for me are military, energy and technology.

The military bits are pretty obvious, particularly our dependence on the US for F35, Trident and even our ability to do as we please with domestically developed capabilities like Storm Shadow. Surveillance, global positioning and AEW&C capabilities are also an issue. We need to work together with Europe to replace any capabilities that are dependent on countries that have restricted our ability to use those capabilities as we see fit or used them to coercively influence us in other ways.

We also need to develop more nuclear power facilities to reduce dependence on oil and gas as much as possible. Europe moving away from Russian gas and toward US LNG was an improvement, but still opens us up to coercive behaviour from the US.

Tech is the big one for me though. There's huge dependence on Microsoft, Amazon and other US companies, particularly for AWS, Azure and O365 product suites. They may have datacentres in the UK and Europe, but they can be switched off remotely at the drop of a hat, we have no access to audit the source code and US laws (particularly the CLOUD act) directly conflict with our own data protection laws. We need true sovereign UK & Europe cloud capabilities with full source code audits.

France have heavily invested in this direction and they are much less prone to coercion from the US goverment as a result. We need to be in a similar position. It's not zero sum either, these investments will create very highly paid jobs that stimulate the rest of the economy.
 
The EU population is around 450M add in the essentially Europhile nations plus the UK and there are considerably more than the USA 340M. Europe is in more danger from other countries than is the USA. It also has many wealthy nations. Logic dictates that it should have its own home grown defence capabilities and not depend on the USA as either defender or supplier of arms. Together we stand..... divided?
 
China supplies weapons to russia, - Zelenskiy

We have information about gunpowder and artillery, and representatives of China also produce some weapons on the territory of russia. Details will be next week.
 
The EU population is around 450M add in the essentially Europhile nations plus the UK and there are considerably more than the USA 340M. Europe is in more danger from other countries than is the USA. It also has many wealthy nations. Logic dictates that it should have its own home grown defence capabilities and not depend on the USA as either defender or supplier of arms. Together we stand..... divided?
The population of Russia, for all its land mass is relatively small with a high mortality rate compared with the more developed countries of the world. But what it does have is a high capacity of oil, gas and raw materials. A country that could have been wealthy if these materials were mined and sold to developing nations instead is failing as to maintaining its dogma going back to 1917. That's what we get with a dictator who cannot give up, or retire, as he knows just what will happen to him if that is to happen.
Moving on to Trump, we have heard of his bonkers plan to stop the war by robbing Ukraine of its raw materials (how?) but if he wanted Russian resources instead then he could surely offer Putin a zero tariff deal instead of insulting Zelenski, and to hell with the rest of the world.
 

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