Sam Allardyce: Epitome of why English football has lagged behind

No.

Because I can't name someone else who has made quite such a career out of narrowly avoiding complete failure.

Most people are in football aiming for the top. Sam & his mates, aim to reach & hang around near the bottom.

They either slither up to reach the bottom, from below, or scrabble around to try & avoid touching the bottom, from just above.

If I had to name the most similar manager to Sam, it would be Neil Warnock, but he tends to slither up, rather than scrabble above.

Utter drivel.

Qualifying for Europe, finishing 8th, keeping a team up from a seemingly hopeless position, is not 'narrowly avoiding complete failure'.

That says more about your prejudice against him than his ability as a manager.
 
'Everton’s Premier League positions in the six seasons prior to David Moyes’ arrival as manager had been wretched.

Indeed in the decade before he was appointed Everton manager the Blues had managed one single top half finish, in 1996 under Joe Royle.

In the decade which followed his appointment he reversed that trend spectacularly.

The 17th place finish in 2004 was the only time his teams finished outside of the top 11.

From two skin of the teeth relegation escapes in 1994 and 1998 - and successive finishes of 15th, 17th, 14th, 13th, 16th and 15th - Moyes guided Everton to seventh, 17th, fourth, 11th, sixth, fifth, fifth, eighth, seventh, seventh, sixth and fifth.'

Well done Sam.

I didn't ask you what they'd achieved in the past, i asked you what you think they're capable of achieving in the future.
 
And? Someone has to go down in the end, don't really get the fuss, if you ain't challenging for titles or even European places is there any real point in just surviving? I'd argue and think a lot of city fans will feel similar, that being down a division (or 2) is actually better, you see your team win more often than not, they can play better football as they're actually trying to win games.

You must be joking.

How many teams that are relegated from the Premier League come straight back up?

A lot of them end up in League 1 before they bounce back and not necessarily to the Premier League.
 
The man is the footballing equivalent of a pot noodle, a quick fix, pretty shit, no one really wants it, but you'll survive. And here he is having a go at someone trying to cook a proper meal because it's not ready after 3 minutes
 
Newcastle have been relegated twice since Allardyce left...

And yet I doubt you'd find many Newcastle fans who thinks they should have kept him. It's not all about clinging on to top flight status, it's about enjoying watching your side. Everton had more shots at the weekend than they'd had in 20 out of 24 games under Allardyce, they might finish below 8th but they'll be a lot happier doing it.
 
The man is the footballing equivalent of a pot noodle, a quick fix, pretty shit, no one really wants it, but you'll survive. And here he is having a go at someone trying to cook a proper meal because it's not ready after 3 minutes

Haha brilliant!! like colonel Sanders having a go at Tom Kitchin

And yet I doubt you'd find many Newcastle fans who thinks they should have kept him. It's not all about clinging on to top flight status, it's about enjoying watching your side. Everton had more shots at the weekend than they'd had in 20 out of 24 games under Allardyce, they might finish below 8th but they'll be a lot happier doing it.

Exactly.

Sam, is that you?

It's either him or bluehammer.........
 
Utter drivel.

Qualifying for Europe, finishing 8th, keeping a team up from a seemingly hopeless position, is not 'narrowly avoiding complete failure'.

That says more about your prejudice against him than his ability as a manager.
I didn't ask you what they'd achieved in the past, i asked you what you think they're capable of achieving in the future.
Whilst your first posting is about his career in general, the second is about Everton. In fairness, I don't really want to know what he achieved in the past either, but you seem to want to highlight that particular fact, even though that was several years ago, to suit your narrative. You can't have it both ways.

Looking at his Wikipedia history, his time at Everton threw up some interesting facts:

"Everton ended the season in eighth-position, but fans were dissatisfied with the style of play. Whilst under Allardyce's management, Everton were ranked 20th for total shots, 19th for total shots on target, 16th for passing accuracy and 17th for shots faced in the Premier League. Allardyce left the club on 16 May 2018." That being from November 30 2017.

Despite ensuring Everton's safety , he was unable to change his tactics and become more expansive to try and give the supporters something they could enjoy. It just isn't in him. Once he's done his job by avoiding relegation. he's off to some other club to do the same. No long term solutions - he doesn't want that. Just a short term fix and pick off his severance pay. That's Sam.
 
Given that Fat Sam has managed both Bolton and West Ham it's perhaps understandable that SpiritofBurnden and HammerMark are fighting his corner. Maybe there's a few of us that would do the same if someone started bad-mouthing Stuart Pearce, or Peter Reid (not me, personally!). But I don't understand why you are both so vociferous in your defence of him on a City forum. You're on a hiding to nothing because most of us cannot stand the man. And as football fans we are not in the minority, the average fan who supports neither Bolton nor West Ham has any time or respect for Allardyce - in fact, even a lot of fans of the clubs he's managed in the past dislike him.

Trying to convince us that Sam Allardyce is (or was) a great football manager is as futile an endeavour as I think I've ever known.
 

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