hgblue said:lancs blue said:Why? Silva is far better in that position IMO. Nasri contributed ONE decent pass on Saturday, that's simply not good enough.blinkblue said:Would like to see him behind a lone striker against Leeds. See what happens.
Because it's nasri's best position. Give him a run of games there and see if he can reproduce his best form. Milner right, Silva left, Aguero up front.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Better to sell a player and take a hit, than continue to bury your head in the sand and not admit you bought the wrong player in the first place.
Especially so, when that person is earning over £150k a week!
Lancet Fluke said:hgblue said:lancs blue said:Why? Silva is far better in that position IMO. Nasri contributed ONE decent pass on Saturday, that's simply not good enough.
Because it's nasri's best position. Give him a run of games there and see if he can reproduce his best form. Milner right, Silva left, Aguero up front.
Given just how poor he has been that might be a bit of a risk to give him that responsibility in what is now a huge match. But then the other side of the argument is that as a team we are currently really poor so what harm could it really do to try. Plus at least if he's given a run there and fails (which I suspect he would) then there would be little argument if we get rid in the summer.
Lancet Fluke said:hgblue said:lancs blue said:Why? Silva is far better in that position IMO. Nasri contributed ONE decent pass on Saturday, that's simply not good enough.
Because it's nasri's best position. Give him a run of games there and see if he can reproduce his best form. Milner right, Silva left, Aguero up front.
Given just how poor he has been that might be a bit of a risk to give him that responsibility in what is now a huge match. But then the other side of the argument is that as a team we are currently really poor so what harm could it really do to try. Plus at least if he's given a run there and fails (which I suspect he would) then there would be little argument if we get rid in the summer.
He doesnt have the mentality to meet the expectations of club penguin, let alone our football club. The shithouse.Train said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Better to sell a player and take a hit, than continue to bury your head in the sand and not admit you bought the wrong player in the first place.
Especially so, when that person is earning over £150k a week!
I agree. I think its time to cut our losses. He just doesn't have the mentality to meet the expectations of the club.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Better to sell a player and take a hit, than continue to bury your head in the sand and not admit you bought the wrong player in the first place.
Especially so, when that person is earning over £150k a week!
A new manager might especially if off the ball movement is heavily encouraged. As is, we're too static most of the time hoping the player with the ball will create something.LoveCity said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Better to sell a player and take a hit, than continue to bury your head in the sand and not admit you bought the wrong player in the first place.
Especially so, when that person is earning over £150k a week!
Agreed. My only reservation would be IF the manager changes whether the successor can get more out of an obviously talented player, but a lazy stroppy player who thinks he's a made man and has no desire.
If this is the permanent Nasri best to sell now while his value remains high and while some clubs haven't realised he's not nearly as good as his reputation states (see: Johnson, Adam).
Graceyboy said:Lancet Fluke said:hgblue said:Because it's nasri's best position. Give him a run of games there and see if he can reproduce his best form. Milner right, Silva left, Aguero up front.
Given just how poor he has been that might be a bit of a risk to give him that responsibility in what is now a huge match. But then the other side of the argument is that as a team we are currently really poor so what harm could it really do to try. Plus at least if he's given a run there and fails (which I suspect he would) then there would be little argument if we get rid in the summer.
Yes we have been below par in the last couple of matches, Nasri has been poor consistantly since he has been here (with the odd good game). Silva, Barry, Yaya, Milner are usually consistantly good, with the odd game blip, but they have proved in the past they can do it. So I think it is time to move him on
hgblue said:Lancet Fluke said:hgblue said:Because it's nasri's best position. Give him a run of games there and see if he can reproduce his best form. Milner right, Silva left, Aguero up front.
Given just how poor he has been that might be a bit of a risk to give him that responsibility in what is now a huge match. But then the other side of the argument is that as a team we are currently really poor so what harm could it really do to try. Plus at least if he's given a run there and fails (which I suspect he would) then there would be little argument if we get rid in the summer.
I think I'm the only person on here who rates Nasri highly enough to think it worth giving him a run in his best position ;). I think he's a cracking player who isn't being used to his best potential, and I'd love to see the forward line I mentioned given a go against Leeds.
taconinja said:A new manager might especially if off the ball movement is heavily encouraged. As is, we're too static most of the time hoping the player with the ball will create something.
I put it on the manager as either he wants them to hold their shape for defensive solidity or he isn't effectively communicating the need for movement. Either way, he has to do a better job either tactically or via communication. I think a Nasri-type player would do better in a movement-based attack. I also think all three of our strikers would do better that way as well.Lancet Fluke said:taconinja said:A new manager might especially if off the ball movement is heavily encouraged. As is, we're too static most of the time hoping the player with the ball will create something.
Nail on the head. Most of our problems come down to lack of work rate of one kind or another. Work rate at stopping the opposition play and then movement off the ball. During that wonderful spell last season we had such incredible intensity. We were Barca-esque at pressing the ball and winning it back and movement off the ball was immense. All the attack minded players seemed to never stop moving, all interchanging and always people in space. Now I know that teams may approach games against us differently now but that is no excuse for lacking movement, in fact it probably means we need that movement even more. Where did it go and why did it go? Does Mancini want them to stay static to retain shape or can the players not be arsed. I find the latter fairly unlikely given that the players have shown time and again in the past that they have a tremendous will to win and even when the chips are down have dug games out with sheer spirit. I find it baffling.
taconinja said:I put it on the manager as either he wants them to hold their shape for defensive solidity or he isn't effectively communicating the need for movement. Either way, he has to do a better job either tactically or via communication. I think a Nasri-type player would do better in a movement-based attack. I also think all three of our strikers would do better that way as well.Lancet Fluke said:taconinja said:A new manager might especially if off the ball movement is heavily encouraged. As is, we're too static most of the time hoping the player with the ball will create something.
Nail on the head. Most of our problems come down to lack of work rate of one kind or another. Work rate at stopping the opposition play and then movement off the ball. During that wonderful spell last season we had such incredible intensity. We were Barca-esque at pressing the ball and winning it back and movement off the ball was immense. All the attack minded players seemed to never stop moving, all interchanging and always people in space. Now I know that teams may approach games against us differently now but that is no excuse for lacking movement, in fact it probably means we need that movement even more. Where did it go and why did it go? Does Mancini want them to stay static to retain shape or can the players not be arsed. I find the latter fairly unlikely given that the players have shown time and again in the past that they have a tremendous will to win and even when the chips are down have dug games out with sheer spirit. I find it baffling.
I'd say Yaya has been very poor pretty much all season. Silva has been reasonable at times but still way off what he is capable of. Wouldn't criticise Barry or Milner, they have limitations but by and large they are steady and perform as well as they can and usually do a decent job for the team. Clearly something isn't right though overall and trying something different might work even if it does feel counter intuitive given that Nasri has been pretty terrible albeit supposedly out of position.
Lancet Fluke said:taconinja said:I put it on the manager as either he wants them to hold their shape for defensive solidity or he isn't effectively communicating the need for movement. Either way, he has to do a better job either tactically or via communication. I think a Nasri-type player would do better in a movement-based attack. I also think all three of our strikers would do better that way as well.Lancet Fluke said:Nail on the head. Most of our problems come down to lack of work rate of one kind or another. Work rate at stopping the opposition play and then movement off the ball. During that wonderful spell last season we had such incredible intensity. We were Barca-esque at pressing the ball and winning it back and movement off the ball was immense. All the attack minded players seemed to never stop moving, all interchanging and always people in space. Now I know that teams may approach games against us differently now but that is no excuse for lacking movement, in fact it probably means we need that movement even more. Where did it go and why did it go? Does Mancini want them to stay static to retain shape or can the players not be arsed. I find the latter fairly unlikely given that the players have shown time and again in the past that they have a tremendous will to win and even when the chips are down have dug games out with sheer spirit. I find it baffling.
Well Nasri looked incredible away at Spurs. Everybody's movement was fantastic that day and Spurs didn't know which way to turn. We were pretty much unplayable. If Mancini has deliberately stopped that to try and retain defensive shape then he's mental. No explanation for the utter lack of movement really adds up for me. I don't believe these players on the whole can't be arsed and I'm not convinced Mancini is mental. Although when he started talking about the virgin Mary helping us to win the league, I did wonder.
NipHolmes said:Lancet Fluke said:taconinja said:I put it on the manager as either he wants them to hold their shape for defensive solidity or he isn't effectively communicating the need for movement. Either way, he has to do a better job either tactically or via communication. I think a Nasri-type player would do better in a movement-based attack. I also think all three of our strikers would do better that way as well.
Well Nasri looked incredible away at Spurs. Everybody's movement was fantastic that day and Spurs didn't know which way to turn. We were pretty much unplayable. If Mancini has deliberately stopped that to try and retain defensive shape then he's mental. No explanation for the utter lack of movement really adds up for me. I don't believe these players on the whole can't be arsed and I'm not convinced Mancini is mental. Although when he started talking about the virgin Mary helping us to win the league, I did wonder.
We got hit on the counter so much that I believe Mancini sets up more defensively to prevent us being caught.
We've gone too far the other way now.
Why continue to restrict Silva though?blinkblue said:I'd suggest just trying this for a few games, if it doesn't work then fair enough. Cut our losses:
Milner______Nasri______Silva
---------------Aguero