Saurez [FA release investigation findings]

[SWP's back]

Re: Suarez (merged)

I'm aware of racial abuse black players had but I'm not aware of why the monkey insult is offensive as I always associated it with being less evolved so why would it be a racial slur?

Have you any proof at all we didn't evolve form monkeys? Seen as though our evolution timeline is not known it's wrong to say we didn't evolve from monkeys. I challenge you to provide a definite answer that says otherwise though.

You really are without any knowledge aren't you and have absolutely no idea what you are on about regarding our evolution.

Anyone with a basic grasp of evolution knows that at current we can't prove that we either did or didn't evolve from monkeys at some point along the evolutionary scale.

See above (my edit priort to your post) and below. Then apologise for being clueless with the pretence of knowledge.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat02.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/libra ... cat02.html</a>

1. Did we evolve from monkeys?
Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.
Learn More
Human Evolution

2. How did humans evolve?
Since the earliest hominid species diverged from the ancestor we share with modern African apes, 5 to 8 million years ago, there have been at least a dozen different species of these humanlike creatures. Many of these hominid species are close relatives, but not human ancestors. Most went extinct without giving rise to other species. Some of the extinct hominids known today, however, are almost certainly direct ancestors of Homo sapiens. While the total number of species that existed and the relationships among them is still unknown, the picture becomes clearer as new fossils are found. Humans evolved through the same biological processes that govern the evolution of all life on Earth. See "What is evolution?", "How does natural selection work?", and "How do organisms evolve?"

You have no grasp of evolution at all do you.

 

[Comrade Buka]

Re: Suarez (merged)

don't get me wrong blacks and asians were treated disgracefully in the past, but that was then and this is now, the 21st Century

I guess Jews should have forgotten about the Holocaust by now then? After all it was 70 years ago, "in the past."

The problem with your reasoning is that you judge all people by your personal values.

 

[TheMidnightBlue]

Re: Suarez (merged)

You're not actually stating pbs as a reliable source are you? It states we didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with apes. Have you any proof whatsoever that the missing link could not be some form on monkey? Don't give me a link to something on cbbc website, at least something with scientific repute.

 

[Daveth]

Re: Suarez (merged)

don't get me wrong blacks and asians were treated disgracefully in the past, but that was then and this is now, the 21st Century

I guess Jews should have forgotten about the Holocaust by now then? After all it was 70 years ago, "in the past."

The problem with your reasoning is that you judge all people by your personal values.

Could you change your quote as it wasn't me that actually said that (Was DiscoSteve)..

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Suarez (merged)

You're not actually stating pbs as a reliable source are you? It states we didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with apes. Have you any proof whatsoever that the missing link could not be some form on monkey? Don't give me a link to something on cbbc website, at least something with scientific repute.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=150" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=150</a>

And if you don't read the above, maybe just watch this seperate link from an evolutionary biologist. It's fairly simple so you may understand it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Be-3ypjqI8[/youtube]

 

[Comrade Buka]

Re: Suarez (merged)

Really? Depsite monkeys skin colour not being black and us all evolving from monkeys? Surely calling someone who is black a monkey is as offensive as calling someone who is white a monkey as it refers to the person being less evolved and is not a racial slur so should be equally offensive to all colours.

If you are not aware black people having had bananas thrown at them and being called monkeys, I pity you. Your ignorance is outlandish.

 

[Damocles]

Re: Suarez (merged)

You're not actually stating pbs as a reliable source are you? It states we didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with apes. Have you any proof whatsoever that the missing link could not be some form on monkey? Don't give me a link to something on cbbc website, at least something with scientific repute.

Did you completely skip over that whole post that I've just written that explained all of this?

Don't start an argument that you don't have the knowledge to finish. You want "scientific repute", try this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 04072.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707640968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707640968</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafrica/MitoDNA-ACWilson-Nature1987.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafr ... re1987.pdf</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/nature05874.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 05874.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0040072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0040072</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0050254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0050254</a>

There's ten to be getting on with. Let me know when you finish and I'll provide you with ten more. And ten after that. And ten after that. You are literally talking about the most researched subject in the entirety of scientific discovery. We know more about human evolution than we do about gravity.

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Suarez (merged)

You're not actually stating pbs as a reliable source are you? It states we didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with apes. Have you any proof whatsoever that the missing link could not be some form on monkey? Don't give me a link to something on cbbc website, at least something with scientific repute.

Did you completely skip over that whole post that I've just written that explained all of this?

Don't start an argument that you don't have the knowledge to finish. You want "scientific repute", try this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 04072.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707640968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707640968</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafrica/MitoDNA-ACWilson-Nature1987.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafr ... re1987.pdf</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/nature05874.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 05874.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0040072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0040072</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0050254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0050254</a>

There's ten to be getting on with. Let me know when you finish and I'll provide you with ten more. And ten after that. And ten after that. You are literally talking about the most researched subject in the entirety of scientific discovery. We know more about human evolution than we do about gravity.

Ha!

 

[TheMidnightBlue]

Re: Suarez (merged)

You're not actually stating pbs as a reliable source are you? It states we didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with apes. Have you any proof whatsoever that the missing link could not be some form on monkey? Don't give me a link to something on cbbc website, at least something with scientific repute.

Did you completely skip over that whole post that I've just written that explained all of this?

Don't start an argument that you don't have the knowledge to finish. You want "scientific repute", try this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 04072.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707640968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707640968</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafrica/MitoDNA-ACWilson-Nature1987.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafr ... re1987.pdf</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/nature05874.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 05874.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0040072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0040072</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0050254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0050254</a>

There's ten to be getting on with. Let me know when you finish and I'll provide you with ten more. And ten after that. And ten after that. You are literally talking about the most researched subject in the entirety of scientific discovery. We know more about human evolution than we do about gravity.

I'll have a look through them when I'm back from the gym in a few hours. I didn't see your post when I replied earlier though. At least we have evidence that proves gravity even if we know little of it, we are yet to establish the full evolutionary timescale.

 

[Timbobs]

Re: Suarez (merged)

You're not actually stating pbs as a reliable source are you? It states we didn't evolve from monkeys but share a common ancestor with apes. Have you any proof whatsoever that the missing link could not be some form on monkey? Don't give me a link to something on cbbc website, at least something with scientific repute.

Did you completely skip over that whole post that I've just written that explained all of this?

Don't start an argument that you don't have the knowledge to finish. You want "scientific repute", try this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.pnas.org/content/63/4/1088.short</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 04072.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707640968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707640968</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.getcited.org/pub/102702173</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://press.princeton.edu/titles/4621.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafrica/MitoDNA-ACWilson-Nature1987.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://dna1.genome.ou.edu/5853/outofafr ... re1987.pdf</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v447/n7146/full/nature05874.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 05874.html</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0040072" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0040072</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://hub.hku.hk/handle/10722/81471</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0050254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info ... io.0050254</a>

There's ten to be getting on with. Let me know when you finish and I'll provide you with ten more. And ten after that. And ten after that. You are literally talking about the most researched subject in the entirety of scientific discovery. We know more about human evolution than we do about gravity.

I'll have a look through them when I'm back from the gym in a few hours. I didn't see your post when I replied earlier though. At least we have evidence that proves gravity even if we know little of it, we are yet to establish the full evolutionary timescale.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ancestors-Tale-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0753819961" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ancestors-Tale- ... 0753819961</a>
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