Savic and his all round game

[BoyBlue_1985]

All im going to say is Pebble

 

[Lucky Toma]

In the near future both Savic and Boyata will be top class defenders and - who knows - a defensive bedrock upon which titles and trophies are regualrly won.

Right now however they are both young, inexperienced and prone to making the odd costly error.

We saw this last year with Boyata and are experiencing similar with Savic this term.
I feel for the lad and really really hope this spell doesn't stymie his development in any way.

Boyata will come back stronger and better from his time at Bolton and I'd like to see Savic go out and gain experience (and make his mistakes) elsewhere next season while Mancini brings in a top drawer centre-back for the short-term.

I've seen enough of both to have complete faith in their potential to become huge players for us in the future. What's more, I can see them complimenting each other perfectly. Savic will be immense one day. At present he's a kid learning his trade the hard way.

 

[the blue panther]

In the near future both Savic and Boyata will be top class defenders and - who knows - a defensive bedrock upon which titles and trophies are regualrly won.

Right now however they are both young, inexperienced and prone to making the odd costly error.

We saw this last year with Boyata and are experiencing similar with Savic this term.
I feel for the lad and really really hope this spell doesn't stymie his development in any way.

Boyata will come back stronger and better from his time at Bolton and I'd like to see Savic go out and gain experience (and make his mistakes) elsewhere next season while Mancini brings in a top drawer centre-back for the short-term.

I've seen enough of both to have complete faith in their potential to become huge players for us in the future. What's more, I can see them complimenting each other perfectly. Savic will be immense one day. At present he's a kid learning his trade the hard way.

Boyata has done nothing at Bolton - been exposed a lot in a poor team, perhaps, but no 'mentions in dispatches' to speak of.

I have to disagree with you about Savic as well - I haven't seen anything to suggest that he is ever likely to be good enough for the very top level - which is all we are concerned about now. And, having paid £6m for him (Bear in mind you could have got Cahill for £7m), we should be buying more than just potential. Presently, he's a liability. "The odd costly error.." is one thing; 2 goals - and very, very nearly, 3 - given away so quickly is the recent evidence to consider. Couple that with his debacle at QPR and it gives you the true picture.

I don't wish the lad ill, but he has to come out of the firing line now. Slow and ponderous on the ball, with poor first touch; poor positional sense; doesn't have much going for himself as far as I can see.

 

[Lucky Toma]

Sorry BP but I disagree with virtually all of that mate.

Whether Boyata is pulling up trees at the Reebok is not the be all and end all - we have seen enough from him to know he is capable of progressing into a formidable CB who can fill in at RB if required.
All that matters for us - primarily at least - is that he is getting game-time at Bolton and learning his trade in one of the most demanding leagues in the world.

Cahill for £7m....I'd take that, of course I would but the comparison isnt pertinent as one is an England international approaching his peak while Savic is presently all promise and potential.
We need to sign both types of players and its unfair to compare the lad with someone who is nearly the finished article.
I genuinely believe that Savic could become an awesome prospect - look at all the hyperbole surrounding Jones at OT and the manner in which his mistakes are so readily excused by reds and media alike.
Saic deserves the same acclaim and leniency.

As for taking him out of the firing line there is only the Liverpool game left before Vinnie returns and its far better IMO to play Savic against Carroll after he has so recently had 90 mins to closely monitor his movement and playing style.

 

[Plain Speaking]

Sorry BP but I disagree with virtually all of that mate.

Whether Boyata is pulling up trees at the Reebok is not the be all and end all - we have seen enough from him to know he is capable of progressing into a formidable CB who can fill in at RB if required.
All that matters for us - primarily at least - is that he is getting game-time at Bolton and learning his trade in one of the most demanding leagues in the world.Cahill for £7m....I'd take that, of course I would but the comparison isnt pertinent as one is an England international approaching his peak while Savic is presently all promise and potential.
We need to sign both types of players and its unfair to compare the lad with someone who is nearly the finished article.
I genuinely believe that Savic could become an awesome prospect - look at all the hyperbole surrounding Jones at OT and the manner in which his mistakes are so readily excused by reds and media alike.
Saic deserves the same acclaim and leniency.

Unfortunately Boyota is not getting much game time at Bolton. Even with Cahill gone to Chelsea he was an unused sub in last 2 matches.

 

[Plain Speaking]

The irony is Onouha was "getting mentions in despatches" at Sunderland. I followed his progress and in many matches he received glowing reports, not to mention "that goal!" Savic may have potential but IMO I would play Onouha at Liverpool, hopefully VK and Lescott can play again at Everton.

 

[the blue panther]

Sorry BP but I disagree with virtually all of that mate.


I genuinely believe that Savic could become an awesome prospect - look at all the hyperbole surrounding Jones at OT and the manner in which his mistakes are so readily excused by reds and media alike.
Saic deserves the same acclaim and leniency.

As for taking him out of the firing line there is only the Liverpool game left before Vinnie returns and its far better IMO to play Savic against Carroll after he has so recently had 90 mins to closely monitor his movement and playing style.

I can't see what you base that opinion on - there's been no evidence of 'awesomeness' - there was more potential on show with Boyata 18 months ago, and as Plain Speaking said, Onuoha was well thought of at Sunderland - though to my mind, he was always a decent premier league player anyway - who knows what he would have developed into if he'd had the game time extended to Lescott and Kolo Toure - especially in an improving team.
A decent premier league standard is all that we need for the most part; Savic is falling well short of that at the moment. Its all down to opinions, and mine is based on the evidence I see on the pitch which is of a liability, and, as we have a one off game to win at Liverpool in order to get into a cup final, you must give yourself the best chance you can, and not be sentimental by playing somebody who has already shown that he's an accident waiting to happen - again - just to be kind to him. Top level football is no place to be sentimental. I will be very surprised if Mancini goes with him again - if he's the winner we all think he is, he won't do it again. Got to be Richards and Lescott for me, with Zabaleta at right back.
If I was Aguero, Lescott, or any 1st teamer at the moment, I wouldn't want Savic anywhere near a starting place at Anfield. It's no place for the faint hearted, nor for a player lacking in confidence. Lescott may get a 3 match ban for the elbow as Kompany comes back, and maybe Savic will get another chance soon enough when there's a bit less riding on the matches - assuming that we keep winning. We'll see.

 

[Lucky Toma]

I accept what you're saying BP and found myself nodding to a fair bit of it. But looking at the broader picture I'm genuinely encouraged by Savic.
Right now yes he is a liability at times and the last thing we need is for there to be a lack of trust in our back two but what I've also seen is a lad with stature and composure who undoes his good work with a calamitous mishap or rash decision. This is extremely common in a young defender and more so from a lad who is settling into a new culture and style of play.
Look at Coloccini for example at Newcastle and he arrived as a 26-year old experienced Argentinian international.

We saw a glimpse of what Savic can become halfway through the first half yesterday.
Getting possession he instinctively looked to Lescott but a Spurs attacker loomed.
He checked out his other options and found all to be closed off.
Spying a gap to run into he moved forward and picked out a superb low, long pass to Silva (I think) that started a promising move.

What matters to me most of all is that, aside from QPR, his errors have all been due to poor decision-making. This improves with age.

 

[RandomJ]

With Savic it seems to be a mental thing. He makes one mistake and his head completely goes and he then gets nervous on the ball and makes silly mistakes. I've seen glimpses in him that he can be a very good centre back, but A) he needs to cut out the silly mistakes, which he will learn to do with more game time and B) he needs to hit the gym and bulk up because he is far to lightweight to be a centre back and the number of times strikers out muscle him is ridiculous.

 

[the blue panther]

I accept what you're saying BP and found myself nodding to a fair bit of it. But looking at the broader picture I'm genuinely encouraged by Savic.
Right now yes he is a liability at times and the last thing we need is for there to be a lack of trust in our back two but what I've also seen is a lad with stature and composure who undoes his good work with a calamitous mishap or rash decision. This is extremely common in a young defender and more so from a lad who is settling into a new culture and style of play.
Look at Coloccini for example at Newcastle and he arrived as a 26-year old experienced Argentinian international.

We saw a glimpse of what Savic can become halfway through the first half yesterday.
Getting possession he instinctively looked to Lescott but a Spurs attacker loomed.
He checked out his other options and found all to be closed off.
Spying a gap to run into he moved forward and picked out a superb low, long pass to Silva (I think) that started a promising move.

What matters to me most of all is that, aside from QPR, his errors have all been due to poor decision-making. This improves with age.

Fair enough - but let's give him a rest for the Anfield trip, hey? :-)