sandiegoblue
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I recall seeing that the ref had a huge boner when he rushed to get his yellow card out and send Otamendi off. Did anyone else see it?
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Schalke post match thread
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TheThirdDeano
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This has to be one of the worst post match threads in a long time, surely?
If you genuinely think the first was a penalty then you’ve never played football, or gathered any understanding of how quickly things kicked move.
If you think pep got his team selection wrong, then look at the stats. We limited them to 3 shots total/2 shots on goal. A German top level team at home in the UCL. (I await people telling me stats don’t matter because they prove their argument wrong)
I’ll concede a few players were below their standards; De Bruyne stands outs but to be fair he hasn’t played a lot of football this year and we know how fucking great he can be, so we can afford him a little more time I think.
Otamendi being sent off is a moot point because he shouldn’t have been carded for a ball to hand.
Personally I’m so fucking tired of UEFA trying to cheat us. It’s obvious that they are. Not just in the matches either. FFP, fines, bans, referee choices (An entirely German officially team in a game against a German manager), I wish we could do more than boo the ****s.
When all is said and done though, an absolutely fantastic result, not just the adrenaline and belief it gives us but also the absolutely disheartening effect it will have on the dippers, who know we have more bottle than them.
If you genuinely think the first was a penalty then you’ve never played football, or gathered any understanding of how quickly things kicked move.
If you think pep got his team selection wrong, then look at the stats. We limited them to 3 shots total/2 shots on goal. A German top level team at home in the UCL. (I await people telling me stats don’t matter because they prove their argument wrong)
I’ll concede a few players were below their standards; De Bruyne stands outs but to be fair he hasn’t played a lot of football this year and we know how fucking great he can be, so we can afford him a little more time I think.
Otamendi being sent off is a moot point because he shouldn’t have been carded for a ball to hand.
Personally I’m so fucking tired of UEFA trying to cheat us. It’s obvious that they are. Not just in the matches either. FFP, fines, bans, referee choices (An entirely German officially team in a game against a German manager), I wish we could do more than boo the ****s.
When all is said and done though, an absolutely fantastic result, not just the adrenaline and belief it gives us but also the absolutely disheartening effect it will have on the dippers, who know we have more bottle than them.
chesterbells
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This has to be one of the worst post match threads in a long time, surely?
If you genuinely think the first was a penalty then you’ve never played football, or gathered any understanding of how quickly things kicked move.
If you think pep got his team selection wrong, then look at the stats. We limited them to 3 shots total/2 shots on goal. A German top level team at home in the UCL. (I await people telling me stats don’t matter because they prove their argument wrong)
I’ll concede a few players were below their standards; De Bruyne stands outs but to be fair he hasn’t played a lot of football this year and we know how fucking great he can be, so we can afford him a little more time I think.
Otamendi being sent off is a moot point because he shouldn’t have been carded for a ball to hand.
Personally I’m so fucking tired of UEFA trying to cheat us. It’s obvious that they are. Not just in the matches either. FFP, fines, bans, referee choices (An entirely German officially team in a game against a German manager), I wish we could do more than boo the ****s.
When all is said and done though, an absolutely fantastic result, not just the adrenaline and belief it gives us but also the absolutely disheartening effect it will have on the dippers, who know we have more bottle than them.
Re your first 2 paras I’d dissagree, and i say that as regular contributor on here over many years. I genuinely think think you’ve misjudged things.
When I first same handball replays on the highlights summaries in the news at 10.25pm last night I thought Ota was slow to pull his arm away and could have done so quicker if he’d wushed - or moved his body the other way so it hit his torso. I’m not saying I am right, I’m just saying it was not clear cut, ie was open to intepretation.
Your comment about “one of the worst post match threads ever” also pays no regard to the tragic event we’ve learned about since. Odd.
Seems Pep is asking for full support for the return leg.
“Every stage is more difficult. I remember at Bayern, winning these kind of games means a lot. We cannot do it without the fans. To get to the quarters is still open. We need their support in three weeks. They can come and support us like they did against Liverpool. We need it.”
“Every stage is more difficult. I remember at Bayern, winning these kind of games means a lot. We cannot do it without the fans. To get to the quarters is still open. We need their support in three weeks. They can come and support us like they did against Liverpool. We need it.”
SatOnTheWall
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I read that as:
“Please help us frighten the refs into being honest.”
“Please help us frighten the refs into being honest.”
I thought Ota was slow to pull his arm away and could have done so quicker if he’d wushed
I'm sure I read somewhere there was 0.7 seconds between the ball leaving the Schalke players foot and it striking Otamendi's arm.
On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is 'Never a penalty in a million years' (e.g. Sterling v Shakhtar) and 10 is 'Absolutely nailed-on', last night's were both maybe a 5.
But thinking about it, if we're demanding that Boly's goal at Wolves should be ruled out because, intentional or otherwise, it went in off his hand/arm (and I think that's the correct view) then are we being inconsistent if we say that a goal-bound shot hitting a defender's hand or arm isn't handball, regardless of intent?
Boly's should've been ruled out because he intentionally handled it. His arm is in a completely unnatural position to break a fall, the only reason it's in that position is he knew he wasn't getting the ball with his head.
I'd say Otter's is about a 3 at best on your scale
pride in battle
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Do you really have a wheelchair Bill ?Not sure I'll be doing many more. My thoughts now are in future do the trip and do a dummy run the day before,that or sack the game off and watch it in the pub nearby. Its always about the trip anyway :)
I thought it was people taking the piss, what happened ?
pride in battle
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Spot on, have another ref review it and he makes the decision, otherwise it will take too long, I thought this was how it was going to be implemented anyway ?Amazing win, whoever spotted Ederson deserves a villa from shiekh as pay raise is old school.
VAR is something that the game needs but it feels sometimes as if it has been implemented in a rush. Last night was an embarrassment for UEFA, they should ensure proper mechanism for it and every ground should have the adequate facilities before hand.
Hopefully, when PL introduces it next season, they would address these issues. May be they should have a 3rd umpire like system like how it is in cricket where 3rd umpire has all the decision making power and refs don't have to go and look up on the screens.
Neville Kneville
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I know you’re passionate about your football and opinions and I’m the same and we both call it as we see it and I believe we’ve both been honest in expressing our thoughts etc but I have to say that explanation fucking stinks.
The fact he’s changed his mind and awarded a pen and a yellow “without being told what to do” and from having the replay “described” to him.... it isn’t even a joke. It’s so far beyond parody that it’s not even funny.
I still think it’s a penalty but the ref shouldn’t have given it in 1,000 years based on what actually went on. The fact Uefa have doubled down and are patting themselves on the back for it shows that in its current incarnation, VAR is open to abuse and not fit for service. They’ll make up any old shit to justify the decisions they choose.
This has been my whole objection to v.a.r. from day one. Well including the time taken.
I'm all for the idea & implementation of technology to remove responsibility from the inconsistent & easily influenced morons who currently make these decisions.
But the only way to do that, is to make the rules simpler & the technology better.
We have already seen v.a.r. used on offside decisions here, when there's a tactical camera in the stand set up, in a better position to see it, than the camera actually used to make the decision, which is in an impossible position. But they are happy to start a crucial game, using that 'technology' rather than just say 'it won't work'.
Now we have v.a.r. used even when it is known to have malfunctioned. I recon there will be a few blind City fans who thought Otamendi didn't handle the ball, when they listened to it, but wouldn't dream of telling people they are certain about it.
The same bent, fucks who did the will of the cartel clubs to try & stitch up City, are the same ones who are driving the implementation of v.a.r. in its current form & they are handing it over to people like the guys who helped Liverpool knock City out of the Champs Lg & Mike Riley.
I don't believe that simple, consistent rules & precise technology are at the top of their agenda.
If it is the case that they really want v.a.r. to work, they could start by defining clearly what handball is & what constitutes a 'holding' or pushing foul in the penalty area
Seeing as they tested this at the World Cup & had exactly the same problems but have done absolutely nothing about it, I have no confidence that they are trying to improve decision making in football.
They just want it to appear as if they are.