pee dubya said:Yes, ideally that's how i feel i should make the decision.
The reality is though, with the amount of uncertainty involved, a logical decision feels basically impossible. Maybe if i'd studied economics, or social science, i'd have a stronger opinion on how we'd fare (although it seems those that have are split anyway), but as far as i can see, countries of a similar potential size range from amongst the highest standard of living in the World to failed states. And thats assuming that standard of living is the only important thing. Maybe it's better to have a slightly lower standard of living if it means more control over your own destiny.
My logical train of thought has led me to the conclusion that i can't make the decision logically. I don't have the information, there's too many variables and too much out of our control.
It really boils down to take a risk or play safe, since i don't know the odds it's a gut decision.
Which is why we should immediately cut our affilliation with that financial body. I wouldn't like us to kop for the fried Mars bar subsidy, It would ruin us.gordondaviesmoustache said:Surely the IMF would be called in before that, AC?Ancient Citizen said:charliebigspuds said:They should grab the opportunity to separate from all the greedy, corrupt politicians and start a real socialist state
Yes, I'd love the Scots, and with no input from us whatsoever, to implement this.
Now that really would be a laugh 2 years down the line.
stony said:I want Scotland to be part of the UK. I think it's ridiculous that from such a small island, we can't all get along and class ourselves as British.
So you think there is genuinely a predictable likely outcome. I can see there probably is for the immediate aftermath, but i think that should only play a small part in the overall decision. Can I really predict what effect it'll have 50 years down the line, when my grand kids are asking my why on earth i didn't vote for ___.Damocles said:pee dubya said:Yes, ideally that's how i feel i should make the decision.
The reality is though, with the amount of uncertainty involved, a logical decision feels basically impossible. Maybe if i'd studied economics, or social science, i'd have a stronger opinion on how we'd fare (although it seems those that have are split anyway), but as far as i can see, countries of a similar potential size range from amongst the highest standard of living in the World to failed states. And thats assuming that standard of living is the only important thing. Maybe it's better to have a slightly lower standard of living if it means more control over your own destiny.
My logical train of thought has led me to the conclusion that i can't make the decision logically. I don't have the information, there's too many variables and too much out of our control.
It really boils down to take a risk or play safe, since i don't know the odds it's a gut decision.
Perhaps a better usage for this thread then would be to invite people to convince to whether voting For/Against is correct or incorrect?
You've identified a major problem we have in social policy. There's so much information around that you cannot work out how to filter it and find the interesting points. Many people choose apathy or as you have, emotional decisions instead. I think this is a disservice to us all and the issues.
bellbuzzer said:the chance to cast off the bonds of westminster surely cannot be missed. it would give hope to the regions that one day they might do the same
Ducado said:stony said:I want Scotland to be part of the UK. I think it's ridiculous that from such a small island, we can't all get along and class ourselves as British.
I am with you there mate, but Labour let the cat out of the bag with Devolution it was a terrible idea, to me it would have been better slowly erasing the concept of separate countries.
It would be good if they do, but if they don't so be it, we will survive
stony said:Ducado said:stony said:I want Scotland to be part of the UK. I think it's ridiculous that from such a small island, we can't all get along and class ourselves as British.
I am with you there mate, but Labour let the cat out of the bag with Devolution it was a terrible idea, to me it would have been better slowly erasing the concept of separate countries.
It would be good if they do, but if they don't so be it, we will survive
Spot on. It amazes me that in the USA people can be 3000 miles apart and still count themselves as American, yet over here in an island smaller than most US states, people want their own separate identities. It just doesn't make sense.
RandomJ said:stony said:Ducado said:I am with you there mate, but Labour let the cat out of the bag with Devolution it was a terrible idea, to me it would have been better slowly erasing the concept of separate countries.
It would be good if they do, but if they don't so be it, we will survive
Spot on. It amazes me that in the USA people can be 3000 miles apart and still count themselves as American, yet over here in an island smaller than most US states, people want their own separate identities. It just doesn't make sense.
Well England and Scotland have a very bloody history that both sides have never really got over.
RandomJ said:stony said:Ducado said:I am with you there mate, but Labour let the cat out of the bag with Devolution it was a terrible idea, to me it would have been better slowly erasing the concept of separate countries.
It would be good if they do, but if they don't so be it, we will survive
Spot on. It amazes me that in the USA people can be 3000 miles apart and still count themselves as American, yet over here in an island smaller than most US states, people want their own separate identities. It just doesn't make sense.
Well England and Scotland have a very bloody history that both sides have never really got over.