Scotland Independance Referendum

[Skashion]

The future currency of Scotland. ^

 

[solley attwell]

If Scotland want to go it alone that's good for them. Maybe they could switch places with the Irish and we could go back into the UK. Despite the sarcrfices that Irishmen gave to gaining independence over hundreds of years, the poiticians in this country are as corrupt as in any banana republic. Its like a little boys club appointing their fuckin mates onto boards and commitees and pulling in extravagant salaries and expenses. In fact one charity had to dip into the donations given for sick kids to pay these cunts a golden handshake. Low and behold these clowns were appointed by non other than Bertie Ahern the prince of 'back handers' after Haughey ,his boss. I know corruption happens in most societies but at least if we were in the UK there would be more scrutiny and less chance of getting away with it.
If the Scots gain independence you can bet your life there will be many with their nose in the trough ready to clean up

 

[dazdon]

The future currency of Scotland. ^

Is there enough cash there to be able to buy a bin lid full of neeps and tatties and a fried mars bar for pudding?

 

[Tourist since 1971]

Having just read Nicola Sturgeon's comments on the currency union, I'm aghast such a senior politician could make such comments. They're acting like children setting up a play country, and that is not one bit exaggerating. They are totally unrealistic and think they are in a strong position.

Hang on a cotton picking minute, doesn't the UK government own substantially all that bank?

 

[bornblueegg]

Having just read Nicola Sturgeon's comments on the currency union, I'm aghast such a senior politician could make such comments. They're acting like children setting up a play country, and that is not one bit exaggerating. They are totally unrealistic and think they are in a strong position.

Hang on a cotton picking minute, doesn't the UK government own substantially all that bank?

We could pass on the debt

 

[stonie]

Bring the vote forward then they can leave quicker....<br /><br />-- Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:59 pm --<br /><br />Bring the vote forward then they can leave quicker....

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Having just read Nicola Sturgeon's comments on the currency union, I'm aghast such a senior politician could make such comments. They're acting like children setting up a play country, and that is not one bit exaggerating. They are totally unrealistic and think they are in a strong position.

Hang on a cotton picking minute, doesn't the UK government own substantially all that bank?

The UK Government owns 60% I believe

 

[TGR]

They have just been told that cannot have Sterling as a currency and they still stay they can.
How deluded can these idiots get?
I really do wish they would just fuck off! Quickly.

 

[Gabriel]

If the Scots do vote for independence, what happens if it leaves and takes no acceptance of its share of current UK debt? Does that debt then have to be spread across the people of England, Northern Ireland , and Wales?

 

[Losblue]

Hang on a cotton picking minute, doesn't the UK government own substantially all that bank?

The UK Government owns 60% I believe

That would mean the British tax payers then.

 

[BigJimLittleJim]

If the Scots do vote for independence, what happens if it leaves and takes no acceptance of its share of current UK debt? Does that debt then have to be spread across the people of England, Northern Ireland , and Wales?

think I saw something on a previous Question Time or similar where this came up, and the answer was they can't just cut and run without their share of the debt, so no need to panic :)

 

[Gabriel]

If the Scots do vote for independence, what happens if it leaves and takes no acceptance of its share of current UK debt? Does that debt then have to be spread across the people of England, Northern Ireland , and Wales?

think I saw something on a previous Question Time or similar where this came up, and the answer was they can't just cut and run without their share of the debt, so no need to panic :)

Not sure how that would work. I found this blog interesting and some pithy comments, too. Certainly getting messier.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-13/osborne-plays-german-card-against-scots-independence.html

 

[pee dubya]

This is why it's so difficult to make a reasoned choice, we really have no idea what will happen. Everyone has a different viewpoint and opinion on the potential outcome.

In his speech Osbourne was asked since he's now clarified the official position on the £, would they soon be doing the same on a number of other issues (BBC, Trident etc). He just came out with a vague stock answer that in the event of a Yes vote they'll be discussed, then somehow worked his way back to the £ thing despite the question having nothing to do with it.

The currency issue is the weak spot they've identified and targeted, the route to putting doubt in voters minds.

 

[without a dream]

This is why it's so difficult to make a reasoned choice, we really have no idea what will happen. Everyone has a different viewpoint and opinion on the potential outcome.

In his speech Osbourne was asked since he's now clarified the official position on the £, would they soon be doing the same on a number of other issues (BBC, Trident etc). He just came out with a vague stock answer that in the event of a Yes vote they'll be discussed, then somehow worked his way back to the £ thing despite the question having nothing to do with it.

The currency issue is the weak spot they've identified and targeted, the route to putting doubt in voters minds.

It's the most important issue though, the rest is chicken feed.

If we have a common currency then the rest of the UK would be underwriting the Scottish economy because we couldn't afford for it to fail. It would also mean that the respective parties would have to sign off on each others budgets (like they do in the Eurozone) and that never tends to go very well for the smaller economies. That doesn't seem like a lot of independence to me and it's obvious why the rest of the UK doesn't want that to happen.

The SNP are yet to provide an alternative to joining the pound should they get what they want. They're just stirring up national pride with accusations of bullying. If that doesn't worry you about the capabilities of what would presumably be the leadership of the new country then it really, really should.

 

[Rascal]

Lancashire should be independent too.

Lots to be said for that too.

Im sick of being goverened by London

 

[pee dubya]

This is why it's so difficult to make a reasoned choice, we really have no idea what will happen. Everyone has a different viewpoint and opinion on the potential outcome.

In his speech Osbourne was asked since he's now clarified the official position on the £, would they soon be doing the same on a number of other issues (BBC, Trident etc). He just came out with a vague stock answer that in the event of a Yes vote they'll be discussed, then somehow worked his way back to the £ thing despite the question having nothing to do with it.

The currency issue is the weak spot they've identified and targeted, the route to putting doubt in voters minds.

It's the most important issue though, the rest is chicken feed.

If we have a common currency then the rest of the UK would be underwriting the Scottish economy because we couldn't afford for it to fail. It would also mean that the respective parties would have to sign off on each others budgets (like they do in the Eurozone) and that never tends to go very well for the smaller economies. That doesn't seem like a lot of independence to me and it's obvious why the rest of the UK doesn't want that to happen.

The SNP are yet to provide an alternative to joining the pound should they get what they want. They're just stirring up national pride with accusations of bullying. If that doesn't worry you about the capabilities of what would presumably be the leadership of the new country then it really, really should.

The other options are pretty clear though, do you think they haven't considered them at all? I'd be hugely surprised. Clearly a currency union is their favoured choice, so all this bullshit is jostling for position. Of course i'd be extraordinarily worried if they didn't have a back-up plan, but i can't imagine they don't.

 

[without a dream]

This is why it's so difficult to make a reasoned choice, we really have no idea what will happen. Everyone has a different viewpoint and opinion on the potential outcome.

In his speech Osbourne was asked since he's now clarified the official position on the £, would they soon be doing the same on a number of other issues (BBC, Trident etc). He just came out with a vague stock answer that in the event of a Yes vote they'll be discussed, then somehow worked his way back to the £ thing despite the question having nothing to do with it.

The currency issue is the weak spot they've identified and targeted, the route to putting doubt in voters minds.

It's the most important issue though, the rest is chicken feed.

If we have a common currency then the rest of the UK would be underwriting the Scottish economy because we couldn't afford for it to fail. It would also mean that the respective parties would have to sign off on each others budgets (like they do in the Eurozone) and that never tends to go very well for the smaller economies. That doesn't seem like a lot of independence to me and it's obvious why the rest of the UK doesn't want that to happen.

The SNP are yet to provide an alternative to joining the pound should they get what they want. They're just stirring up national pride with accusations of bullying. If that doesn't worry you about the capabilities of what would presumably be the leadership of the new country then it really, really should.

The other options are pretty clear though, do you think they haven't considered them at all? I'd be hugely surprised. Clearly a currency union is their favoured choice, so all this bullshit is jostling for position. Of course i'd be extraordinarily worried if they didn't have a back-up plan, but i can't imagine they don't.

I don't understand why it's their preferred choice though. If they choose a currency union (and the rest of the UK for some bizarre reason accepts that we have to underwrite the Scottish economy should it fail) then the UK has to agree the Scottish budget, is that anyone's idea of independence? Is that being freed from Westminster?

 

[pee dubya]

It's the most important issue though, the rest is chicken feed.

If we have a common currency then the rest of the UK would be underwriting the Scottish economy because we couldn't afford for it to fail. It would also mean that the respective parties would have to sign off on each others budgets (like they do in the Eurozone) and that never tends to go very well for the smaller economies. That doesn't seem like a lot of independence to me and it's obvious why the rest of the UK doesn't want that to happen.

The SNP are yet to provide an alternative to joining the pound should they get what they want. They're just stirring up national pride with accusations of bullying. If that doesn't worry you about the capabilities of what would presumably be the leadership of the new country then it really, really should.

The other options are pretty clear though, do you think they haven't considered them at all? I'd be hugely surprised. Clearly a currency union is their favoured choice, so all this bullshit is jostling for position. Of course i'd be extraordinarily worried if they didn't have a back-up plan, but i can't imagine they don't.

I don't understand why it's their preferred choice though. If they choose a currency union (and the rest of the UK for some bizarre reason accepts that we have to underwrite the Scottish economy should it fail) then the UK has to agree the Scottish budget, is that anyone's idea of independence? Is that being freed from Westminster?

I have no idea, perhaps because it's a less daunting prospect for undecideds. Perhaps they don't really want the pound anyway. Might be a good excuse not to take on the debt.

 

[Balti]

So an independent Scotland tries to insist that taxpayers in a nation it has just voted to leave have to continue to back the currency of this new foreign country and consider the welfare of this foreign country when setting interest rates etc. Also to insure the banks of this foreign country and to insure the foreign government if it needs support with its public spending etc.

Yeah right, fuck off. You are free to leave but not to impose terms on those that you are choosing to leave.

Walk away from UK and walk away from UK currency/ banking system. Good luck with that.

 

[Ducado]

So an independent Scotland tries to insist that taxpayers in a nation it has just voted to leave have to continue to back the currency of this new foreign country and consider the welfare of this foreign country when setting interest rates etc. Also to insure the banks of this foreign country and to insure the foreign government if it needs support with its public spending etc.

Yeah right, fuck off. You are free to leave but not to impose terms on those that you are choosing to leave.

Walk away from UK and walk away from UK currency/ banking system. Good luck with that.

It seems to be the key plank of the SNP's economic policies, I am not sure the Scottish electorate have realised just how serious this is, and good of the 3 main parties to actually make a stand, you want to break away from the Union, you break away from the Union and stand on your own two feet