Scottish independence

[Len Rum]

David Cameron and his clique are now paying for their dismissive, nonchalant and disrespectful way they handled this issue from the onset. They all thought it was a rash that will go away in due time .. well it aint going nowhere at least not until the referendum.

And now they are scrambling around trying to gather themselves together now that the tide has turned. Salmond on the other hand, although admittedly annoying has shown naught but consistency and passion for the course and has campaigned aggressively around Scotland trying to change the minds of the folks.

David Cameron could not even get himself to take part in the debate, thought himself too big or the issue too small for him. Instead he sent the hapless Darling and it has backfired.

Saying all that, I really don't see this happening as when it comes to the actual process of voting, a lot of Scots will naturally and understandably opt to remain in the union as there is no enormous urgency and cause to face up to the daunting realities of change.

A more inaccurate, I'll informed and imprecise post on the subject I have yet to read.

Cameron was right to stay away from it, as if he'd got involved the fucking Yes vote would be 80% by now (same for Clegg). Milliband and Brown should be more involved, as they'd get the Labour vote motivated. As for Salmond, he divides the population in Scotland anyway, and he's as smug as Cameron as well.

In which case he (Cameron) shouldn't be getting involved now?

 

[blueinsa]

I would have a tad more respect for the yes brigade if they were just honest and admit it's got fuck all to do with social justice etc and everything to do with hating the English.

I live outside of Dumfries and had a fucking idiot telling me a no vote will see thousands of young scots turning the country into a 1970's Northern Ireland as they take up arms to get what they want.

 

[SWP's back]

The Prime Minister who lost the Union will " more than see the silver side of that particular cloud"

He will?

Thank you, I find it a comfort to be reminded why the Tories are known as the Stupid Party

I don't do so bad.

Inherited?

Not even a little bit. Just hard working, hence preferring the Tories.

 

[malg]

A more inaccurate, I'll informed and imprecise post on the subject I have yet to read.

Cameron was right to stay away from it, as if he'd got involved the fucking Yes vote would be 80% by now (same for Clegg). Milliband and Brown should be more involved, as they'd get the Labour vote motivated. As for Salmond, he divides the population in Scotland anyway, and he's as smug as Cameron as well.

In which case he (Cameron) shouldn't be getting involved now?

I would agree with that. Cameron is more unpopular up there than he is on here. I'd suggest getting HM involved and just say she would rather the union stayed together - Her Maj is very popular in Scotland.

Oh, and it's been posted a few times on here that the Yes vote is just anti English. It's not. There may be some who will rant about the English, but there are plenty on here who have said some anti Scottish stuff, and this ludicrous vote will have laid the ground for the fringe idiots from both countries, but to say that nearly 50% of Scots are just anti English is nonsense. I can't see any good coming from the vote either way.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

I would have a tad more respect for the yes brigade if they were just honest and admit it's got fuck all to do with social justice etc and everything to do with hating the English.

I live outside of Dumfries and had a fucking idiot telling me a no vote will see thousands of young scots turning the country into a 1970's Northern Ireland as they take up arms to get what they want.

He sounds like a reliable social barometer...

 

[jared]

I think a viewing of the classic film, Braveheart is appropriate, no?

 

[malg]

I think a viewing of the classic film, Braveheart is appropriate, no?

......and Trainspotting......and Whisky Galore!

 

[blueinsa]

I would have a tad more respect for the yes brigade if they were just honest and admit it's got fuck all to do with social justice etc and everything to do with hating the English.

I live outside of Dumfries and had a fucking idiot telling me a no vote will see thousands of young scots turning the country into a 1970's Northern Ireland as they take up arms to get what they want.

He sounds like a reliable social barometer...

He is a fucking idiot but not on his own with ideas and talk like this I'm afraid. I've been told at work by a sizeable minority admitted that come the yes vote, I'm out of a job and being sent back down South and very sadly, they are entirely serious in thinking that's what's going to happen.

I'm as pissed off with Westminster and politicians as anyone but this whole debate has been used by idiots with a far sinister agenda to get what they want.

Very sad IMO.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

I think a viewing of the classic film, Braveheart is appropriate, no?

......and Trainspotting......and Whisky Galore!

Stop dicking about and watch Gregory's Girl.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I don't do so bad.

Inherited?

Not even a little bit. Just hard working, hence preferring the Tories.

Very good, you've done well, considering.

 

[malg]

Inherited?

Not even a little bit. Just hard working, hence preferring the Tories.

Very good, you've done well, considering.

Ignore him. He went to the same school as Cameron, and is well known to have a trust fund given to him by his wealthy family, and it is this fund that keeps him.

 

[Chris in London]

Christmas is coming

Who for though?

The turkeys who are voting for it

 

[The Flash]

This is all Supergran's fault.

 

[BrianW]

Nationalism always has its ugly side, and the more you stir up nationalist emotions, the uglier it gets. It stops being about loving your country and its history and culture, and becomes about hating the 'other'. This BS had its origins in 19th Century Romantic Nationalism, and among other things, was largely responsible for two world wars.

It's very sad, really. And there's a very real risk of an English nationalist reaction, where we draw into ourselves and start hating the rest of the people of these islands. This could develop into something pretty horrid.

We would be 'better off together' if we could dump all this ancient baggage and spend more time talking about what we have in common. But politicians nowadays seem to be quite incapable of drawing people together, preferring the divide and rule principle. So it's probably best to part before we end up with a Scottish Civil War or some such pointless shite.

 

[Blue Mist]

It's the one that mentions thistle three times, Midges twice and tight arsed bastards once.


just sayin'

Where does this perception of being "tight arsed bastards" come from.
When I was much younger,in the 1970's I was in England many times on courses with my old job.
Found it strange,that the English guys always bought their own pint,smoked their own fags.
Anytime I was in the pub,it was "what ye for" or "want a smoke"
Don't know where it comes from tbh.
I'll be a no btw.

The Thistle and midges are spot on mate :)

Re the comment on being 'tight arsed bastards' ... whilst it was said in a light hearted way a couple of years back I had to go to Aberdeen to meet some head honcho I was doing some work for. He had promised me lunch on him but it got later and later, eventually I said I was starving and needed something to eat. We then walked 1/4 mile to a sandwich shop, he went straight inside, grabbed a ready made sandwich, paid for it and was out the door before I'd even worked out where the counter was !!

Anyway, The English trio of Clegg, Thingy and wotsit have offered you lot so much you don't need independence. What a bunch of weak kneed idiots we have running the UK. As a last gasp gesture they will be offering Scotland to cherry pick what laws and regulations they want and those they don't like they can ignore.

Out of touch Tossers the three of them.

 

[yerwot?]

the no' sayers on BM are predicting armageddon if Scotland votes yes. Bankruptcy guaranteed, no currency, the oil has all gone, the EU will use a large barge-pole to keep them out. Jobs are bound to disappear as firms migrate to England. Pundits in the media frantically look for the means to seduce/scare the voters into voting for the status quo. The mail leads the pack, a yes vote will cost every family in England thousands of pounds, as well as mortgages going sky-high. Milliband's prediction of armed guards at checkpoints and passport controls is just as hysterical.
Every poll has committed voters that no amount of propaganda wil sway, the critical section of voters is the ''undecided''. Who do they trust ? This could be the 'no' camp's achilles heel, the tory party has been little more than a bad joke north of the border so why would they trust them now? The likes of billionaire tory business-men is hardly likely to chime either. The 'no' campaign is finding it hard to give the impression it is about caring about Scotland, more about looking after their own interests. The sudden visits by the 'big guns', the carrot-dangling , only reinforces this view.
Historically, the two countries have shed lots of blood in 'disputes', the clearances were 'contentious' to say the least, but they are history. However there are very many who experienced the poll tax and the draconian measures employed to enforce it. The culling of the iconic Scottish regiments weakened links with England and may also be a factor.
If Westminster had been less London-centric , the 'yes' support would have been without it's main argument.
Carpe diem

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

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George Boyd, James Morrison and Chris Martin amongst others are Englishmen playing for Scotland.


Edit

Prescott says England and Scotland football teams should join forces. "You're a mental case!" yells a Yes campaigner

I heard the word "bampot" (directed at Prezza) for the first time today. Been reading it in Christopher Brookmyre novels for years. Splendid

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Brilliant.

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Well what a fucking calamity this has turned out to be. I think the response from the Tories has been weak and ill thought out and now they are looking like idiots. Although is it any surprise, sending that clown darling up there and then labour, that other fucking idiot Brown. I think for me that will be one of the benefits of an independent Scotland, not having to put up with these scots who have taken the queens penny and then some judging by the look and sound of them. Send the cunts back when alls said and done, do us all a favour.


I think for their part, the scots have got it right, this government like all those preceding it are myopic and think because they have a mandate to govern the UK that they are seen as representative of it when we all know that they are little Westminsterers rather than little englanders. They have not a clue what's going on north of Watford and this debacle is just illustrating that fact and playing it out for the world at large.

I'm not for or against independence just get on with for fucks sake it's boring the shit out of most of us and we all suspect the scots don't have brave enough hearts to go it alone anyway....see what I did there... Go on prove me wrong and vote yes.

 

[mcfcinprague]

Well what a fucking calamity this has turned out to be. I think the response from the Tories has been weak and ill thought out and now they are looking like idiots. Although is it any surprise, sending that clown darling up there and then labour, that other fucking idiot Brown. I think for me that will be one of the benefits of an independent Scotland, not having to put up with these scots who have taken the queens penny and then some judging by the look and sound of them. Send the c**ts back when alls said and done, do us all a favour.


I think for their part, the scots have got it right, this government like all those preceding it are myopic and think because they have a mandate to govern the UK that they are seen as representative of it when we all know that they are little Westminsterers rather than little englanders. They have not a clue what's going on north of Watford and this debacle is just illustrating that fact and playing it out for the world at large.

I'm not for or against independence just get on with for fucks sake it's boring the shit out of most of us and we all suspect the scots don't have brave enough hearts to go it alone anyway....see what I did there... Go on prove me wrong and vote yes.

As you say, they haven't got the balls to do it

The status quo will remain and they won't get half the new benefits that are allegedly on offer and if they do it will take years decades to come to fruitiion

 

[Len Rum]

Impressed by Red Ed's "head,hearts and soul" speech in Cumbernauld.Straight off the cuff,no notes.
He should have done this much earlier.
Dave looked as if he was practicing public speaking on a middle management course.