It's not working too well En France. Anyone who doesn't fancy handing over threequarters of their income has decamped to London, and the government gets sacked every 10 minutes. The Scots have traditionally been allies of the French, it appears they are going to follow a similar path.Ban-jani said:SWP's back said:I wish they would hurry up and fuck off.
All this talk of a socialist utopia where there is perfectly even wealth distribution is as entertaining as it is naive.
Good luck to them if they do.
Nothing naive about it either.
Of course it's naive. I'm all for self determination and would support whatever decision they chose but at present there is no actual plan of action for how an independent Scotland could and would function.Ban-jani said:SWP's back said:I wish they would hurry up and fuck off.
All this talk of a socialist utopia where there is perfectly even wealth distribution is as entertaining as it is naive.
Good luck to them if they do.
Nothing naive about it either.
SWP's back said:Of course it's naive. I'm all for self determination and would support whatever decision they chose but at present there is no actual plan of action for how an independent Scotland could and would function.Ban-jani said:SWP's back said:I wish they would hurry up and fuck off.
All this talk of a socialist utopia where there is perfectly even wealth distribution is as entertaining as it is naive.
Good luck to them if they do.
Nothing naive about it either.
To assume it will be a fair and equitable nirvana is naive in the extreme. As someone had already said, Scotland deserves better than a wing and a prayer.
Ban-jani said:SWP's back said:Of course it's naive. I'm all for self determination and would support whatever decision they chose but at present there is no actual plan of action for how an independent Scotland could and would function.Ban-jani said:Good luck to them if they do.
Nothing naive about it either.
To assume it will be a fair and equitable nirvana is naive in the extreme. As someone had already said, Scotland deserves better than a wing and a prayer.
I think they deserve the chance.
They're certainly feeling unrepresented In Westminster at the moment, as are most northern towns/cities.
If they do vote yes it will certainly be interesting.
I think the risks are known but the yes voters think they're worth taking. All this patronising from England doesn't sit right with me.
JoeMercer'sWay said:Ban-jani said:SWP's back said:Of course it's naive. I'm all for self determination and would support whatever decision they chose but at present there is no actual plan of action for how an independent Scotland could and would function.
To assume it will be a fair and equitable nirvana is naive in the extreme. As someone had already said, Scotland deserves better than a wing and a prayer.
I think they deserve the chance.
They're certainly feeling unrepresented In Westminster at the moment, as are most northern towns/cities.
If they do vote yes it will certainly be interesting.
I think the risks are known but the yes voters think they're worth taking. All this patronising from England doesn't sit right with me.
I'd rather they were less selfish and campaigned for British regionalisation rather than Scottish Independence, but that's just because the idea has been floating in my head for a while.
Could be a blessing in disguise. You think Cameron is bad? Do you honestly think Milli-bland would be any better (and ''he can't be any worse'' is hardly a valid argument for voting him in)?Rammyblues said:Talking if Yes, general election to be postponed next May :-(
"there will only be a conservative government from now on", that's a long time Ronnie, must be one hell of a crystal ball you've got there!Ronnie the Rep said:It's getting interesting now. If they vote yes, fine, fuck off and don't complain if it goes wrong because you're not getting back in.
Secondly, if that happens, sterling short term will bomb - that suits my company because we have forward bought USD for our purchases but our sales will generate more sterling when converted back.
Thirdly, unless libdems and labour join forces, there will only be a conservative government from now on.
Fourthly, if they vote no, there will be pressure brought on to exclude Scottish MP's from voting in English issues
Fifthly, it raises the valid issue that the regions such as the North deserve some form of political self- determination
I could go on. Interesting anyway
If Yes, surely these two dudes would have to resign (for different reasons).jimharri said:Could be a blessing in disguise. You think Cameron is bad? Do you honestly think Milli-bland would be any better (and ''he can't be any worse'' is hardly a valid argument for voting him in)?Rammyblues said:Talking if Yes, general election to be postponed next May :-(
Len Rum said:"there will only be a conservative government from now on", that's a long time Ronnie, must be one hell of a crystal ball you've got there!Ronnie the Rep said:It's getting interesting now. If they vote yes, fine, fuck off and don't complain if it goes wrong because you're not getting back in.
Secondly, if that happens, sterling short term will bomb - that suits my company because we have forward bought USD for our purchases but our sales will generate more sterling when converted back.
Thirdly, unless libdems and labour join forces, there will only be a conservative government from now on.
Fourthly, if they vote no, there will be pressure brought on to exclude Scottish MP's from voting in English issues
Fifthly, it raises the valid issue that the regions such as the North deserve some form of political self- determination
I could go on. Interesting anyway
That's a cracking point that. If it is a Yes vote, then Cameron, Clegg and Milliband should all resign as they all signed up to the 'No' campaign and in effect would have been responsible for the break up of the Union. It would certainly make for a brilliant General Election between Boris Johnson and David Milliband!Len Rum said:If Yes, surely these two dudes would have to resign (for different reasons).jimharri said:Could be a blessing in disguise. You think Cameron is bad? Do you honestly think Milli-bland would be any better (and ''he can't be any worse'' is hardly a valid argument for voting him in)?Rammyblues said:Talking if Yes, general election to be postponed next May :-(
malg said:That's a cracking point that. If it is a Yes vote, then Cameron, Clegg and Milliband should all resign as they all signed up to the 'No' campaign and in effect would have been responsible for the break up of the Union. It would certainly make for a brilliant General Election between Boris Johnson and David Milliband!Len Rum said:If Yes, surely these two dudes would have to resign (for different reasons).jimharri said:Could be a blessing in disguise. You think Cameron is bad? Do you honestly think Milli-bland would be any better (and ''he can't be any worse'' is hardly a valid argument for voting him in)?
Jesus; the LWNJ cabal on here would all be buying one way tickets to Pyongyang if that happens.Gabriel said:malg said:That's a cracking point that. If it is a Yes vote, then Cameron, Clegg and Milliband should all resign as they all signed up to the 'No' campaign and in effect would have been responsible for the break up of the Union. It would certainly make for a brilliant General Election between Boris Johnson and David Milliband!Len Rum said:If Yes, surely these two dudes would have to resign (for different reasons).
Johnson and Farage in a power sharing agreement? And people think the Scots are in for an uncertain future.
jimharri said:Jesus; the LWNJ cabal on here would all be buying one way tickets to Pyongyang if that happens.Gabriel said:malg said:That's a cracking point that. If it is a Yes vote, then Cameron, Clegg and Milliband should all resign as they all signed up to the 'No' campaign and in effect would have been responsible for the break up of the Union. It would certainly make for a brilliant General Election between Boris Johnson and David Milliband!
Johnson and Farage in a power sharing agreement? And people think the Scots are in for an uncertain future.
Yeah, that thought had crossed the vast open expanses of my mind as well!Cheesy said:jimharri said:Jesus; the LWNJ cabal on here would all be buying one way tickets to Pyongyang if that happens.Gabriel said:Johnson and Farage in a power sharing agreement? And people think the Scots are in for an uncertain future.
That outcome suddenly holds a lot more appeal to me ;-)
They wouldn't need to go that far with the new socialist utopia just 130 miles north of here.jimharri said:Jesus; the LWNJ cabal on here would all be buying one way tickets to Pyongyang if that happens.Gabriel said:malg said:That's a cracking point that. If it is a Yes vote, then Cameron, Clegg and Milliband should all resign as they all signed up to the 'No' campaign and in effect would have been responsible for the break up of the Union. It would certainly make for a brilliant General Election between Boris Johnson and David Milliband!
Johnson and Farage in a power sharing agreement? And people think the Scots are in for an uncertain future.
jimharri said:Jesus; the LWNJ cabal on here would all be buying one way tickets to Pyongyang if that happens.Gabriel said:malg said:That's a cracking point that. If it is a Yes vote, then Cameron, Clegg and Milliband should all resign as they all signed up to the 'No' campaign and in effect would have been responsible for the break up of the Union. It would certainly make for a brilliant General Election between Boris Johnson and David Milliband!
Johnson and Farage in a power sharing agreement? And people think the Scots are in for an uncertain future.