Scottish independence

[Gaylord du Bois]

Vote yes for Brigadoon.

 

[TGR]

It's getting interesting now. If they vote yes, fine, fuck off and don't complain if it goes wrong because you're not getting back in.

Secondly, if that happens, sterling short term will bomb - that suits my company because we have forward bought USD for our purchases but our sales will generate more sterling when converted back.

Thirdly, unless libdems and labour join forces, there will only be a conservative government from now on.

Fourthly, if they vote no, there will be pressure brought on to exclude Scottish MP's from voting in English issues

Fifthly, it raises the valid issue that the regions such as the North deserve some form of political self- determination


I could go on. Interesting anyway

There will be no coalition for the Lib Dems with any other political party any time soon.
Their vote will collapse at the next general election - whenever that maybe. And what's more they know it.

 

[Len Rum]

Tory boy little Englanders out in force tonight.
Small minds think alike.

 

[SWP's back]

Talking if Yes, general election to be postponed next May :-(

Could be a blessing in disguise. You think Cameron is bad? Do you honestly think Milli-bland would be any better (and ''he can't be any worse'' is hardly a valid argument for voting him in)?

If Yes, surely these two dudes would have to resign (for different reasons).

You've stated this many times and I really don't understand the logic.

 

[SWP's back]

Tory boy little Englanders out in force tonight.
Small minds think alike.

Nut job in ad hominem shock.

 

[scotty123]

Jebus, there's some rough looking Jock women on these rallies of the yes and no sides

 

[DiscoSteve]

I can't lose!!!!

If they vote No the union is preserved!

If they vote Yes - Labour will NEVER get in again - fantastic!!!!

 

[mackenzie]

I hope they vote yes. If only because the Union as such is relatively modern and it will be interesting to see the reaction at Westminster.

 

[Len Rum]

Could be a blessing in disguise. You think Cameron is bad? Do you honestly think Milli-bland would be any better (and ''he can't be any worse'' is hardly a valid argument for voting him in)?

If Yes, surely these two dudes would have to resign (for different reasons).

You've stated this many times and I really don't understand the logic.

Cameron - disastrous No campaign by Tories, not fighting for the Union with any conviction, devo max not on voting paper, timing of vote terrible. Now handing over the reins to Brown.To lose the Union is a massive loss of prestige to Britain and he would have overseen it. As Adam Boulton said it will be written on his tombstone.
Milliband - has really been invisible in the campaign and has been complacent and yet his party has more to lose politically than the Tories.i.e labour out of power for the foreseeable future.

 

[Len Rum]

Tory boy little Englanders out in force tonight.
Small minds think alike.

Nut job in ad hominem shock.

Self criticism doesn't become you mate.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

I can't lose!!!!

If they vote No the union is preserved!

If they vote Yes - Labour will NEVER get in again - fantastic!!!!

You're a bit previous there.
Labour will win their heartland seats in England .
The Tories will find their vote split by Ukip , particularly in marginals.
It's going to be a lot closer than you think.

 

[RandomJ]

I can't lose!!!!

If they vote No the union is preserved!

If they vote Yes - Labour will NEVER get in again - fantastic!!!!

I've seen a few people on here say this and I really don't see how it is a good thing. Even if you are a die hard Tory and hate Labour with a passion how is the country only having one party that can win an election a good thing? With zero competition they will just get complacent and have free reign to do what they want which is not a good thing for the country. I hate the tory party but if they must be in power I'd rather they have to actually work to get there and actually have to come up with decent policies to get the votes instead of just getting voted through by default.

 

[Skashion]

"there will only be a conservative government from now on", that's a long time Ronnie, must be one hell of a crystal ball you've got there!

I've pointed out that this is nonsense over and over again. The last time the Conservatives won a majority of seats in England was 1992. The last time Labour won a majority of seats in England was 2005.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
IKHH - 1 seat
Respect - 1 seat

2001 election results in England:
Labour - 323 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 40 seats
Independent - 1 seat

1997 election results in England:
Labour - 328 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 34 seats
Independent - 1 seat
NLP - 1 seat

There have only been two elections which Labour has won where it didn't win a majority in England. Basically, when Labour wins elections, it wins in England.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

"there will only be a conservative government from now on", that's a long time Ronnie, must be one hell of a crystal ball you've got there!

I've pointed out that this is nonsense over and over again. The last time the Conservatives won a majority of seats in England was 1992. The last time Labour won a majority of seats in England was 2005.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
IKHH - 1 seat
Respect - 1 seat

2001 election results in England:
Labour - 323 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 40 seats
Independent - 1 seat

1997 election results in England:
Labour - 328 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 34 seats
Independent - 1 seat
NLP - 1 seat

There have only been two elections which Labour has won where it didn't win a majority in England. Basically, when Labour wins elections, it wins in England.

That's because labour have altered many boundaries to make it much easier for them to get a majority. This would have been redressed so that things were even until that two faced tosser clegg reneged on the deal because he lost the vote on PR

 

[Len Rum]

Cometh the hour, Cometh the Man.
Gordon is back. The man who saved the western world from financial collapse has returned, this time to save the Union.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Cometh the hour, Cometh the Man.
Gordon is back. The man who saved the western world from financial collapse has returned, this time to save the Union.

I assume you are being ironic

 

[Len Rum]

"there will only be a conservative government from now on", that's a long time Ronnie, must be one hell of a crystal ball you've got there!

I've pointed out that this is nonsense over and over again. The last time the Conservatives won a majority of seats in England was 1992. The last time Labour won a majority of seats in England was 2005.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
IKHH - 1 seat
Respect - 1 seat

2001 election results in England:
Labour - 323 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 40 seats
Independent - 1 seat

1997 election results in England:
Labour - 328 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 34 seats
Independent - 1 seat
NLP - 1 seat

There have only been two elections which Labour has won where it didn't win a majority in England. Basically, when Labour wins elections, it wins in England.

That's because labour have altered many boundaries to make it much easier for them to get a majority. This would have been redressed so that things were even until that two faced tosser clegg reneged on the deal because he lost the vote on PR

Come off it Ronnie, Cameron promised Clegg he could deliver on reform of the Lords but he couldn't get it through his own party. So Clegg did a quid pro quo. Another example of Dave shooting himself in the foot.

 

[Len Rum]

Cometh the hour, Cometh the Man.
Gordon is back. The man who saved the western world from financial collapse has returned, this time to save the Union.

I assume you are being ironic

Half- ironic.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I've pointed out that this is nonsense over and over again. The last time the Conservatives won a majority of seats in England was 1992. The last time Labour won a majority of seats in England was 2005.

2005 election results in England:
Labour - 286 seats
Tories - 194 seats
Lib Dems - 47 seats
IKHH - 1 seat
Respect - 1 seat

2001 election results in England:
Labour - 323 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 40 seats
Independent - 1 seat

1997 election results in England:
Labour - 328 seats
Tories - 165 seats
Lib Dems - 34 seats
Independent - 1 seat
NLP - 1 seat

There have only been two elections which Labour has won where it didn't win a majority in England. Basically, when Labour wins elections, it wins in England.

That's because labour have altered many boundaries to make it much easier for them to get a majority. This would have been redressed so that things were even until that two faced tosser clegg reneged on the deal because he lost the vote on PR

Come off it Ronnie, Cameron promised Clegg he could deliver on reform of the Lords but he couldn't get it through his own party. So Clegg did a quid pro quo. Another example of Dave shooting himself in the foot.

We'll have to agree to disagree about that but it doesn't alter the fact that the boundary changes made by labour are not fair and should be changed

 

[Skashion]

That's because labour have altered many boundaries to make it much easier for them to get a majority. This would have been redressed so that things were even until that two faced tosser clegg reneged on the deal because he lost the vote on PR

This is once again, nonsense, from start to finish. The independent Boundary Commissions alter boundaries, not political parties, and it is cited as a reason by people who haven't the first clue about why our electoral system works the way it does. The main reasons why Labour usually wins more seats for the same vote share is that turnout tends to be lower in safe Labour seats than in safe Conservative seats. Effectively, tories tend to vote more frequently even if it is not required. You could redraw boundaries if you like, it wouldn't change anything, unless you got rid of FPTP. Secondly, we have never voted on PR. Thirdly, those who win elections, win the marginals. The better you are at it, the more disproportionate the votes. In the 1980s, it took many fewer votes for the Conservatives to win seats. Why? Because they won the elections, and by large margins. The more you win elections, the more you win marginals, the more a small number of votes effects greatly the number of seats. Under FPTP, that is the only way it can be. Either you win elections, win marginals, and win more seats per vote, or you lose elections, lose marginals, and win fewer seats per vote. There's no magic in it. Fourthly, seems superfluous even to mention it but the main reason Cameron was even getting away with challenging the independence of the Boundary Commissions is because, in a politically-motivated move, he was trying to advantage his own party by reducing the number of seats. So you've flipped it on its head.