Scottish independence

[Gabriel]

Ugly scenes in George Square, Glasgow tonight. All sadly reminiscent of the boorish behaviour inflicted on Manchester in 2008.

Not posting anything else on the result. It's clear I'm well in a minority on here (and obviously my own country/region whatever the fuck you want to call it now) but the scenes tonight in George square have been absolutely horrendous.

This morning 45% of us woke up disappointed, tonight 99% of us are disgusted. These aren't no campaigners. Fuck I can't even brand them as being rangers fans (and I fucking hate that club). It's loyalist bigots out in force rioting with anyone who gets in their way.

A full song book of sectarian nonsense and Nazi salutes - all in George square next to a war memorial. It defies belief. Sub human far right scum.

Feel for you, Ayrshire, but mind. ;-)

Ah got scunnert tryin' tae spin
a web for denner,
the stane wis a' slaisterie,
ah couldnae get a grip,
ah wis hauf stairved by the end,
no even a midge tae claucht,
then a big lug o' a mon cam in,
raggety, right dosser,
mair hungert looking than me,
stairted eyeing me up,
ah thought, am off,
swung like tarzan
oot the cave on a thread
thick as a wean's wrist.
Seemed tae cheer him up

 

[baildon blue]

This is the words of wisdom from illumanti .
Dream but don't sleep .
I think it's talking to the folk of Scotland tonight .

 

[stony]

And yet Scottish history and British history are intertwined. The charge of the Scots Greys at the battle of Waterloo is one example off the top of my head.

Typical of British cavalry of the time, they were utterly fucking useless. Its amazing that Wellingtons army was built on rigid discipline, yet the cavalry had none, and more often than not after one charge they were out of the battle. The KGL on the other hand was the absolute bollocks.

 

[jimharri]

Ugly scenes in George Square, Glasgow tonight. All sadly reminiscent of the boorish behaviour inflicted on Manchester in 2008.

Not posting anything else on the result. It's clear I'm well in a minority on here (and obviously my own country/region whatever the fuck you want to call it now) but the scenes tonight in George square have been absolutely horrendous.

This morning 45% of us woke up disappointed, tonight 99% of us are disgusted. These aren't no campaigners. Fuck I can't even brand them as being rangers fans (and I fucking hate that club). It's loyalist bigots out in force rioting with anyone who gets in their way.

A full song book of sectarian nonsense and Nazi salutes - all in George square next to a war memorial. It defies belief. Sub human far right scum.

Feel for you, Ayrshire, but mind. ;-)

Ah got scunnert tryin' tae spin
a web for denner,
the stane wis a' slaisterie,
ah couldnae get a grip,
ah wis hauf stairved by the end,
no even a midge tae claucht,
then a big lug o' a mon cam in,
raggety, right dosser,
mair hungert looking than me,
stairted eyeing me up,
ah thought, am off,
swung like tarzan
oot the cave on a thread
thick as a wean's wrist.
Seemed tae cheer him up

 

[yerwot?]

The yes voters seem incredibly dim, almost feel sorry for them how they were nearly brainwashed into voting yes despite having no evidence to back up their claims. Poor souls, the free education they get was wasted on some[/quot

there is condescension, there is sneering smug condescension, there is sneering smug condescending error-strewn bile. How could they be ''nearly'' brainwashed into being a yes voter when they did actually vote yes. The clue is in the name. Dim or what........ BTW school education is free here as well, seems to have had it's flops though

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Ugly scenes in George Square, Glasgow tonight. All sadly reminiscent of the boorish behaviour inflicted on Manchester in 2008.

Not posting anything else on the result. It's clear I'm well in a minority on here (and obviously my own country/region whatever the fuck you want to call it now) but the scenes tonight in George square have been absolutely horrendous.

This morning 45% of us woke up disappointed, tonight 99% of us are disgusted. These aren't no campaigners. Fuck I can't even brand them as being rangers fans (and I fucking hate that club). It's loyalist bigots out in force rioting with anyone who gets in their way.

A full song book of sectarian nonsense and Nazi salutes - all in George square next to a war memorial. It defies belief. Sub human far right scum.

Feel for you, Ayrshire, but mind. ;-)

Ah got scunnert tryin' tae spin
a web for denner,
the stane wis a' slaisterie,
ah couldnae get a grip,
ah wis hauf stairved by the end,
no even a midge tae claucht,
then a big lug o' a mon cam in,
raggety, right dosser,
mair hungert looking than me,
stairted eyeing me up,
ah thought, am off,
swung like tarzan
oot the cave on a thread
thick as a wean's wrist.
Seemed tae cheer him up

The boot on the other 8 feet

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Not posting anything else on the result. It's clear I'm well in a minority on here (and obviously my own country/region whatever the fuck you want to call it now) but the scenes tonight in George square have been absolutely horrendous.

This morning 45% of us woke up disappointed, tonight 99% of us are disgusted. These aren't no campaigners. Fuck I can't even brand them as being rangers fans (and I fucking hate that club). It's loyalist bigots out in force rioting with anyone who gets in their way.

A full song book of sectarian nonsense and Nazi salutes - all in George square next to a war memorial. It defies belief. Sub human far right scum.

Feel for you, Ayrshire, but mind. ;-)

Ah got scunnert tryin' tae spin
a web for denner,
the stane wis a' slaisterie,
ah couldnae get a grip,
ah wis hauf stairved by the end,
no even a midge tae claucht,
then a big lug o' a mon cam in,
raggety, right dosser,
mair hungert looking than me,
stairted eyeing me up,
ah thought, am off,
swung like tarzan
oot the cave on a thread
thick as a wean's wrist.
Seemed tae cheer him up

I read it like I'd read a book! Haha

Cheers Gabriel!!

Onwards we go. CTID.

 

[foetus]

 

[cibaman]

The Yes campaign had one huge factor working in its favour and one working against it.

Its biggest advantage was the fact that it was a Yes campaign. The positivity of Yes. The No campaign was criticised for being too negative which was fair to an extent. But it was almost impossible for them to campaign on any other basis. The power of Yes enabled Salmond to increase support from 35% to 45%.

Working against it was that the Yes campaign were making the argument for permanent radical change. Hence the onus was on them to answer the questions that posed. There probably was an inbuilt bias in the media against the Yes campaign. The BBC's corporate culture influenced their coverage just as it will if there's an EU referendum. But the bias didnt seem to me to be particularly excessive. It was inevitable that Yes campaign would feel under the kosh from the media because their case needed the greatest scrutiny. People understand the status quo, it doesnt need to be explained to them. Devo max is fairly well understood. It can be varied over time if they dont get it right first time. But Independence is a no going back decision. It was legitimate that the media grilled the Yes campaign on the details of how it would work, they wouldnt have been doing their job if they gave Yes an easy ride. In the end the Yes campaign didnt have adequate answers to questions about the economic impact of independence, the currency, EU membership etc. They shouldnt really blame anyone else for that.

 

[BimboBob]

Huffington Post, Sky news currently and many of tomorrow's papers rightly praising Gordon Brown for his starring role in saving the Union.
In time history will give the man the credit he deserves for his pivotal role not only in rescuing the Union but also the Western world from financial collapse some five years earlier.
Opportunity makes the man.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSq8ZBdSxNU[/video]

 

[whp.blue]

Bottom line was the Jocks know where their bread is buttered and they voted to maintain the Status Quo because that guaranteed that they could continue to be bailed out by us south of the border.

I hope Westminster now tells Scotland that the next time they want a referendum that the the whole cost of it must be Bourne by the Scottish people and not by the UK in general.

It is now time to stop pampering minorities and put the majority IE. England first. We have been forced to take a back seat for way too long.

The Labour party are the worst offenders for this they seem to have forgotten that the vast majority of their supporters live in England but they seem to pay way too much lip service to a couple of million Jocks. Scotland makes up less than 10% of the population of the UK and it is about time they recognised that.

If they don't act quickly they run the risk of disenfranchising their core support and regional devolution is not the answer. However An English Parliament is.

 

[TGR]

Bottom line was the Jocks know where their bread is buttered and they voted to maintain the Status Quo because that guaranteed that they could continue to be bailed out by us south of the border.

I hope Westminster now tells Scotland that the next time they want a referendum that the the whole cost of it must be Bourne by the Scottish people and not by the UK in general.

It is now time to stop pampering minorities and put the majority IE. England first. We have been forced to take a back seat for way too long.

The Labour party are the worst offenders for this they seem to have forgotten that the vast majority of their supporters live in England but they seem to pay way too much lip service to a couple of million Jocks. Scotland makes up less than 10% of the population of the UK and it is about time they recognised that.

If they don't act quickly they run the risk of disenfranchising their core support and regional devolution is not the answer. However An English Parliament is.

A good post.
The tail can no longer wag the dog. Dave has already stated this in no uncertain terms.

Labour have to lick the arse of the jock MP's as they need the 41 seats to have any chance whatsoever of regaining power - so they will continue to do so
and they don't give a toss if you any other English voter likes it or not. Thats why there is no chance whatsover of Labour even discussing an English Parliment any time soon. The only way forward from now are the Tories. It may stick in the throat of a few on here but Labour will not be acting in your best interest on this matter, they will be acting in their own best interest.

 

[baildon blue]

I think u will find the majority of England supports the Tories .
I don't like the Tories and never will .
I will admit though Cameron done a very good job in stitching Salmond up .

 

[johnnytapia]

Bottom line was the Jocks know where their bread is buttered and they voted to maintain the Status Quo because that guaranteed that they could continue to be bailed out by us south of the border.

I hope Westminster now tells Scotland that the next time they want a referendum that the the whole cost of it must be Bourne by the Scottish people and not by the UK in general.

It is now time to stop pampering minorities and put the majority IE. England first. We have been forced to take a back seat for way too long.

The Labour party are the worst offenders for this they seem to have forgotten that the vast majority of their supporters live in England but they seem to pay way too much lip service to a couple of million Jocks. Scotland makes up less than 10% of the population of the UK and it is about time they recognised that.

If they don't act quickly they run the risk of disenfranchising their core support and regional devolution is not the answer. However An English Parliament is.

A good post.
The tail can no longer wag the dog. Dave has already stated this in no uncertain terms.

Labour have to lick the arse of the jock MP's as they need the 41 seats to have any chance whatsoever of regaining power - so they will continue to do so
and they don't give a toss if you any other English voter likes it or not. Thats why there is no chance whatsover of Labour even discussing an English Parliment any time soon. The only way forward from now are the Tories. It may stick in the throat of a few on here but Labour will not be acting in your best interest on this matter, they will be acting in their own best interest.

Because the Tories would never seek to put themselves first would they? Why, I can just imagine the 1922 committee, for it is they, having a hearty debate about how they should no longer put the interests of the aristocracy, big buck business and the shires first but, in a vault-face not seen since Boris decided he could run two jobs, they work towards the common good, poor and rich alike, where the great industrial cities are treated with equanimity and respect.

As for Dave stating things "in no uncertain terms", well, we can all sleep well, such is his standing amongst the political elite. I'm sure Merkel is right this very second retuning her TV to ensure she hears more from this master of oratory, this colossus of the political world.

 

[TGR]

Bottom line was the Jocks know where their bread is buttered and they voted to maintain the Status Quo because that guaranteed that they could continue to be bailed out by us south of the border.

I hope Westminster now tells Scotland that the next time they want a referendum that the the whole cost of it must be Bourne by the Scottish people and not by the UK in general.

It is now time to stop pampering minorities and put the majority IE. England first. We have been forced to take a back seat for way too long.

The Labour party are the worst offenders for this they seem to have forgotten that the vast majority of their supporters live in England but they seem to pay way too much lip service to a couple of million Jocks. Scotland makes up less than 10% of the population of the UK and it is about time they recognised that.

If they don't act quickly they run the risk of disenfranchising their core support and regional devolution is not the answer. However An English Parliament is.

A good post.
The tail can no longer wag the dog. Dave has already stated this in no uncertain terms.

Labour have to lick the arse of the jock MP's as they need the 41 seats to have any chance whatsoever of regaining power - so they will continue to do so
and they don't give a toss if you any other English voter likes it or not. Thats why there is no chance whatsover of Labour even discussing an English Parliment any time soon. The only way forward from now are the Tories. It may stick in the throat of a few on here but Labour will not be acting in your best interest on this matter, they will be acting in their own best interest.

Because the Tories would never seek to put themselves first would they? Why, I can just imagine the 1922 committee, for it is they, having a hearty debate about how they should no longer put the interests of the aristocracy, big buck business and the shires first but, in a vault-face not seen since Boris decided he could run two jobs, they work towards the common good, poor and rich alike, where the great industrial cities are treated with equanimity and respect.

As for Dave stating things "in no uncertain terms", well, we can all sleep well, such is his standing amongst the political elite. I'm sure Merkel is right this very second retuning her TV to ensure she hears more from this master of oratory, this colossus of the political world.

Milliband?
Performance is relative johny and Dave is a number of levels above anyone in the Labour party.

 

[johnnytapia]

A good post.
The tail can no longer wag the dog. Dave has already stated this in no uncertain terms.

Labour have to lick the arse of the jock MP's as they need the 41 seats to have any chance whatsoever of regaining power - so they will continue to do so
and they don't give a toss if you any other English voter likes it or not. Thats why there is no chance whatsover of Labour even discussing an English Parliment any time soon. The only way forward from now are the Tories. It may stick in the throat of a few on here but Labour will not be acting in your best interest on this matter, they will be acting in their own best interest.

Because the Tories would never seek to put themselves first would they? Why, I can just imagine the 1922 committee, for it is they, having a hearty debate about how they should no longer put the interests of the aristocracy, big buck business and the shires first but, in a vault-face not seen since Boris decided he could run two jobs, they work towards the common good, poor and rich alike, where the great industrial cities are treated with equanimity and respect.

As for Dave stating things "in no uncertain terms", well, we can all sleep well, such is his standing amongst the political elite. I'm sure Merkel is right this very second retuning her TV to ensure she hears more from this master of oratory, this colossus of the political world.

Milliband?
Performance is relative johny and Dave is a number of levels above anyone in the Labour party.

True - there is no argument with that. I'd include Clegg too. We live in impoverished times, politically. Merkel certainly isn't someone whose policies I'd advocate, but she has a presence, a gravitas none of our current politicians can match. perhaps it's symptomatic of the age we live in, where strong views are akin to political suicide and taking the middle road in all you do is the preferred option. I absolutely detest/ed Thatcher but nobody could ever argue she wasn't a political behemoth. Callaghan, Heath, Wilson less so, but I'd listen to any of them over this lot. All day long.

 

[TGR]

Because the Tories would never seek to put themselves first would they? Why, I can just imagine the 1922 committee, for it is they, having a hearty debate about how they should no longer put the interests of the aristocracy, big buck business and the shires first but, in a vault-face not seen since Boris decided he could run two jobs, they work towards the common good, poor and rich alike, where the great industrial cities are treated with equanimity and respect.

As for Dave stating things "in no uncertain terms", well, we can all sleep well, such is his standing amongst the political elite. I'm sure Merkel is right this very second retuning her TV to ensure she hears more from this master of oratory, this colossus of the political world.

Milliband?
Performance is relative johny and Dave is a number of levels above anyone in the Labour party.

True - there is no argument with that. I'd include Clegg too. We live in impoverished times, politically. Merkel certainly isn't someone whose policies I'd advocate, but she has a presence, a gravitas none of our current politicians can match. perhaps it's symptomatic of the age we live in, where strong views are akin to political suicide and taking the middle road in all you do is the preferred option. I absolutely detest/ed Thatcher but nobody could ever argue she wasn't a political behemoth. Callaghan, Heath, Wilson less so, but I'd listen to any of them over this lot. All day long.

A good post.
Nice to see we both agree on something! ;-)

 

[Questy]

Here is the Category's who Voted and where they posted. For me not surprised that 70% of 16-17 yr olds voted Yes.

 

[TGR]

Here is the Category's who Voted and where they posted. For me not surprised that 70% of 16-17 yr olds voted Yes.

Questy - as I said in a previous post Salmond stacked the deck hugely in his favour and still took a pasting.
He had to resign.

 

[Gabriel]

Here is the Category's who Voted and where they posted. For me not surprised that 70% of 16-17 yr olds voted Yes.

This is merely a poll and not actual data of all voters.