Scottish Independence

[Saddleworth2]

There are so many parallels between the EU referendum and the Scottish Referendum, I always maintain the IndyRef as a "trial run".

I do feel that our own political system needs an overhaul; an independent English Parliament, reform of the House of Lords, Westminster to be A seat of power for the UK, which can be alternated between Holyrood, Senedd etc. But that's just my own feeling.

If our Union is meant to be a "union", then the emphasis on England does need softening a little, but as a result that means the English MUST have it's own Parliament.
I feel that once the UK has established it's future relationship with the EU, either deal (preferred) or WTO (not) and the outcome for NI, then the people of Scotland will have their clear vision on it's union with the rest of the UK. A debate should at least be had, but I feel now isn't the time, unlike Sturgeon who's going in both feet first.

Sensible suggestions. Can’t see the current government having the strategic foresight to progress that type of initiative though.

 

[Metal Biker]

Election result? You mean advisory referendum don’t you?

Yes, slip of the tongue. :)

 

[Ban-jani]

Election result? You mean advisory referendum don’t you?

It wasn’t legally binding but everyone promised to honour it as a democratic vote, to pretend otherwise now is ridiculous.

 

[blueinsa]

It wasn’t legally binding but everyone promised to honour it as a democratic vote, to pretend otherwise now is ridiculous.

Again for one minute the SNP wins a second indy ref by a small margin do you think you will hear the same thing from the same mouths about it only being advisory?

Will you fuck and rightly so because its pathetic.

 

[Ban-jani]

Again for one minute the SNP wins a second indy ref by a small margin do you think you will hear the same thing from the same mouths about it only being advisory?

Will you fuck and rightly so because its pathetic.

I know I’m not the only one who can accept that my vote went against the losing option and I have to accept that and man up but there’s far too many who don’t have that view.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Again for one minute the SNP wins a second indy ref by a small margin do you think you will hear the same thing from the same mouths about it only being advisory?

Will you fuck and rightly so because its pathetic.

Thing is though, the Scottish referendum wasn’t advisory, and the second won’t be either. The Scottish Parliament could organise an advisory referendum tomorrow if it wanted. Wouldn’t be legally binding though.

 

[Ban-jani]

Thing is though, the Scottish referendum wasn’t advisory, and the second won’t be either. The Scottish Parliament could organise an advisory referendum tomorrow if it wanted. Wouldn’t be legally binding though.

No it wouldn’t. It’d have to pass parliament first in Westminster as the EU referendum did.

On the Bill's second reading, on 9 June 2015, MPs voted by 544 to 53 in favour of the principle of holding a referendum with only the Scottish National Party opposing the Bill, and by 316 votes to 53 on its third reading in the Commons on 7 September 2015.

What Sturgeon may do is hold an opinion poll to suggest whether or not she should go ahead but even she’s not suggesting this would be anywhere near akin to the 2016 EU referendum.

 

[joe123]

Just came out of a great talk with John Curtice at my work. When asked, made a good point about the forthcoming Holyrood elections will be interesting as a landslide would give them the mandate, and there is precedence for this in 2011.

Also, made a good point about the 'once in a generation' line. It's a line used by politicians, not voters. If the SNP are smart they'll play for time and use the narrative that Westminster is denying us our chance to change our mind, and if Boris is smart, he'd call it now, as polling suggests there is enough uncertainty that might persuade people not to take any perceived risk.

With regards to the once in a generation line, said the same thing about Brexit, and the Tories facing a potential cliff, albeit in 10 years time and have plenty of time for things to change.

 

[Saddleworth2]

No it wouldn’t. It’d have to pass parliament first in Westminster as the EU referendum did.

‘While the Scottish Parliament could potentially hold an advisory referendum on the question of independence without the approval of the UK government, a binding referendum would require a section 30 order from the UK government, or an amendment to the Scotland Act 1998 by the UK Parliament.[45][46]’

From wiki.

 

[Ban-jani]

‘While the Scottish Parliament could potentially hold an advisory referendum on the question of independence without the approval of the UK government, a binding referendum would require a section 30 order from the UK government, or an amendment to the Scotland Act 1998 by the UK Parliament.[45][46]’

From wiki.

That’s wonderful but my point is it wouldn’t carry as much weight as the Brexit referendum, which successfully went through parliament in 2015, with a landslide.

Sturgeon’s advisory poll would be just that, a mass poll. The EU referendum wasn’t legally binding too but it had the approval of the entire UK’s parliament.