I know you didn't, i never suggested you did. Just that i believe that many did.
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Scottish Independence
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I know you didn't, i never suggested you did. Just that i believe that many did.
No no, you’ve not captured my point nor that of those I’ve spoken with who are from Glasgow.
They have said the atmosphere was toxic and yes voters were a silent majority as a result.
They have said they fear it could descend into violence this time.
The feeling is that it wasn’t nice last time and this time it could be worse.
The whole point was a side argument to the complexity of the topic.
I got that, and i disagreed. Not with their experience, but their prediction. I'm sure we both agree we hope they are wrong. I feel for them as well btw, if that is their concern. Nobody needs that.
Postman Pep
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On your fears of the no campaign getting across its economic argument I repliedHow have I shoe-horned that into that point?
You’re taking one point I have made and joined it to another.
You’re reading something that I’ve not actually written.
I believe it will be mainly because it won't be drowned out by jingoistic nonsense and lies on buses, unless of course your SNP/UKIP comparison proves correct. The caveat to this of course is the unknown unknowns of yellowhammer Brexit should it occur.
Completely anonymous not over the top?We had a Scottish Independence referendum and a campaign that went with it and there were disgraceful lies told then.
A Scottish no voter also told me of the toxic atmosphere and the fact that if/when it happens again, he fears there will be violence, if the no vote don’t go completely anonymous.
On your fears of the no campaign getting across its economic argument I replied
Completely anonymous not over the top?
There were lies told. George Galloway had to tell some young Independence supporters that Scots in England weren’t oppressed, as they had been told.
The violence point you’re now fabricating. I’m saying the toxic atmosphere, could descend into it, not that the Yes or No campaigns will use fascist tactics of violence.
It’s similar to Brexit in that way, that if we have another vote, things could go one step further. It’s a concern, nothing more.
I got that, and i disagreed. Not with their experience, but their prediction. I'm sure we both agree we hope they are wrong. I feel for them as well btw, if that is their concern. Nobody needs that.
I certainly hope British politics never descends into violence again.
Gabriel
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I can remember sitting in a room the day after the first referendum, with people who had voted differently. To say the atmosphere was chilly would be an understatement. No violence, simply agreement among those that had voted No that it was all over now, that something silly had happened, and that everyone should just now be friends move on, preferably by never mentioning it again. Those who had voted Yes sat in tortured silence, steam coming out of their ears, which made no impact on the temperature, and wore expressions of the highest dudgeon. Awkward.
I can remember sitting in a room the day after the first referendum, with people who had voted differently. To say the atmosphere was chilly would be an understatement. No violence, simply agreement among those that had voted No that it was all over now, that something silly had happened, and that everyone should just now be friends move on, preferably by never mentioning it again. Those who had voted Yes sat in tortured silence, steam coming out of their ears, which made no impact on the temperature, and wore expressions of the highest dudgeon. Awkward.
And then it was ok.
And then Brexit came.
I can remember sitting in a room the day after the first referendum, with people who had voted differently. To say the atmosphere was chilly would be an understatement. No violence, simply agreement among those that had voted No that it was all over now, that something silly had happened, and that everyone should just now be friends move on, preferably by never mentioning it again. Those who had voted Yes sat in tortured silence, steam coming out of their ears, which made no impact on the temperature, and wore expressions of the highest dudgeon. Awkward.
Out of curiousity, how many of the No voters have changed their mind?
Gabriel
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Out of curiousity, how many of the No voters have changed their mind?
Not entirely sure as it’s an uncomfortable conversation to have with some, and you can never be quite sure what effect Brexit will play. If the sky doesn’t fall on leaving one Union, it might ironically make people better prepared to countenance leaving the other. Suffice it to say, I’ve only met people on one side of the equation who have changed their minds.
mancity2012_eamo
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You’ll be first to be deported.I live in Scotland and no doubt will till the day I die.
My twins have been here since they where 3 months old and are 8 now and see themselves as Scottish.
I voted for the UK to leave the EU and not for English independence or out of some nationalist thoughts.