Scottish Independence

[Churchlawtonblue]

I personally wouldn't say anything with any certainty whatsoever, i like saying i think nothing would surprise me, when it comes to politics in the UK. But it still sometimes does.

Fully acknowledge the numbers and how you read into them however. It makes sense. If you assume it is that black and white, which i don't think it is. That goes for both sides tbf.

And as i said, i agree, i don't think there has been any significant shift from 2014. Not because of a distilled reading of the numbers, just my own feeling and reading of it.

You have to also factor in the fact that the SNP GE result came on the back of the fact that Sturgeon has been spouting her anti Tory anti English rhetoric non stop, the Tory vote in the UK went up but her share of the vote stayed the same.

On another point I just hope Johnson starts distributing UK wealth more fairly ? I am sure we all want to see that? Unless it would seem you're an SNP supporter!?

 

[BobKowalski]

You have to also factor in the fact that the SNP GE result came on the back of the fact that Sturgeon has been spouting her anti Tory anti English rhetoric non stop, the Tory vote in the UK went up but her share of the vote stayed the same.

On another point I just hope Johnson starts distributing UK wealth more fairly ? I am sure we all want to see that? Unless it would seem you're an SNP supporter!?

Socialist.

Mind you that’s a lot of areas to distribute too...

 

[Coatigan]

You have to also factor in the fact that the SNP GE result came on the back of the fact that Sturgeon has been spouting her anti Tory anti English rhetoric non stop, the Tory vote in the UK went up but her share of the vote stayed the same.

On another point I just hope Johnson starts distributing UK wealth more fairly ? I am sure we all want to see that? Unless it would seem you're an SNP supporter!?

Yea Really? Such as?

if anything, she had continuously publicly said there is no place for anti english sentiment in the snp and Scotland, and the same for all foreign nationals, eu or otherwise.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

You have to also factor in the fact that the SNP GE result came on the back of the fact that Sturgeon has been spouting her anti Tory anti English rhetoric non stop, the Tory vote in the UK went up but her share of the vote stayed the same.

On another point I just hope Johnson starts distributing UK wealth more fairly ? I am sure we all want to see that? Unless it would seem you're an SNP supporter!?

Hope all you want ... ain't going to happen .... he's a Tory .....

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

When the last referendum started, the desire for independence was polling at around 15%.
It rose to an ultimate 45% at the end, having at one point reached 51% at its peak (if you beleive the polls). So if, whenever the next one does come about, the starting point is 45%, who can honestly think it might be an easily predictable outcome.

I'm yet to meet anyone that will say they have changed from yes to no. But there ars a few that openly claim to have changed frim ni to yes. Imho, i'd say probably not enough to make a difference. But would i bet on it? !

Couple of questions Coatigan,

Do you see any irony in Sturgeon wanting independence from the UK but objecting to the fact that the UK voted for independence from the EU?

If the UK rejects an independent Scotland's appeal to use the UK pound which I am pretty sure it will, makes sure Scotland takes on its fair share of UK debt, plus removes the subsidies to the Scottish oil industry, moves the Royal Naval Shipyards and bases to England and removes the Barnett formula block grant all of which will definitely happen. Plus possibly puts up trade tariffs on Scottish goods assuming Scotland wont be accepted straight into the EU which to be fair seems unlikely from economic and political reasons. How do you think you will fair economically?

If Scotland has such a strong economic case for independence why does it need the block grant from the UK government?

I appreciate these are all negatives to Scottish independence but they could all occur, and they appear to be factors that when questioned Sturgeon simply ignores and proffers no alternatives proposals.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Hope all you want ... ain't going to happen .... he's a Tory .....

Maybe but for Balance I don't recall reading it in the Labour manifesto either did you?
Sadly, successive UK governments of any persuasion are content to have unfair wealth distribution across the UK.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yea Really? Such as?

if anything, she had continuously publicly said there is no place for anti english sentiment in the snp and Scotland, and the same for all foreign nationals, eu or otherwise.

Why does she then discriminate against the English then when it comes to tuition fees? She also continually spouts bile against Johnson and the Torys and blames Westminster for all of Scotlands problems through lack of funding and cuts yet continues to get more money per head than any other part of the UK outside of London? You don't see the same rhetoric from Jonson about the EU do you.

I think she gets a very easy ride in the media given her hypocrisy and inability to run a successful Scottish Government (Scottish Schools and the NHS are both slipping) as it is, without the added problems of running a fully independent Scotland.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Socialist.

Mind you that’s a lot of areas to distribute too...

Do you have a problem with better wealth distribution Bob? I dont.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Out of the Barnett Formula (In which Barnett himself described as a 'terrible mistake') Scotland are able to afford free prescriptions, free hospital parking, and free university tuition fees.

If Scotland decide to go fully independent and leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, then all their revenue (whatever currency they choose - not linked to the Bank of England) should come from trade in/with Scotland, and whatever subsidies they can negotiate with the EU if they decide to, or are allowed to join. The cost of administering the border should be met equally by Scotland and whatever remains of the UK, and they will also have to have their own passport.

They may also find themselves in a spot of financial bother if they end up trying to just take back all the Crown Estates.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Luckily the Union that is Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland isn't going anywhere soon imo.

More devolution for Scotland and Wales and Stormont up and running again is whats needed and yes, the Tories have been given the chance to deliver and deliver they better had.

They've only delivered this so far in their last 9 years .... what do you think is going to change ?

• The first party to wrongly deport over 80 of its own citizens.

• Increased the wealth of the richest 1000 in the UK by £724 billion

• Fined a record of £70000 for failing to disclose campaign expenditures

• The first governing party to ever be found in contempt of parliament

• Biggest defeat of a government in the history of parliament - Brexit Withdrawal Agreement.

• First government to unlawfully Prorogue parliament.

• First party to kickout 21 MPs for voting against the party.

• First Party in power where life expectancy has actually dropped.

• Doubled the national debt to £1.8 trillion

• First party to be investigated by the UN for the deliberate creation of poverty and breaches of human rights as a result of their policies.

• First PM to lose 7 votes, making him the worst performing PM ever.

• First party to cause 135000 deaths due to austerity policies

and lets not talk about Grenfell where they promised to promised to rehouse the 223 survivors within months ..... but here we are 2 1/2 years later with some families still in temporary accommodation.