Scottish Independence

[Churchlawtonblue]

Have you added the yes supporters from other parties especially Greens and taken off the no's from the SNP voters ?

Do you think these will be large numbers? I dont

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Out of the Barnett Formula (In which Barnett himself described as a 'terrible mistake') Scotland are able to afford free prescriptions, free hospital parking, and free university tuition fees.

If Scotland decide to go fully independent and leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, then all their revenue (whatever currency they choose - not linked to the Bank of England) should come from trade in/with Scotland, and whatever subsidies they can negotiate with the EU if they decide to, or are allowed to join. The cost of administering the border should be met equally by Scotland and whatever remains of the UK, and they will also have to have their own passport.

They may also find themselves in a spot of financial bother if they end up trying to just take back all the Crown Estates.

They wouldn't have to have their own passport ... they would use the Eu template.

They can use their revenue generated from the Oil fields in their waters rather than passing it to the UK.

They don't have to trade separately with the UK ... It would be covered by whatever agreement the Eu negotiates with the the UK

They have their own currency at the mo... it would just need to be guaranteed by the European Bank or they could go with the Euro

 

[blueparrot]

Do you think these will be large numbers? I dont

I have no idea, that's why going off parties voted for tells us nothing.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Maybe but for Balance I don't recall reading it in the Labour manifesto either did you?
Sadly, successive UK governments of any persuasion are content to have unfair wealth distribution across the UK.

oh ... I don't know.... increased taxation for the top 1% and no tax increases for those under £80,000 sounds a little bit like redistribution of wealth to me

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Out of the Barnett Formula (In which Barnett himself described as a 'terrible mistake') Scotland are able to afford free prescriptions, free hospital parking, and free university tuition fees.

If Scotland decide to go fully independent and leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, then all their revenue (whatever currency they choose - not linked to the Bank of England) should come from trade in/with Scotland, and whatever subsidies they can negotiate with the EU if they decide to, or are allowed to join. The cost of administering the border should be met equally by Scotland and whatever remains of the UK, and they will also have to have their own passport.

They may also find themselves in a spot of financial bother if they end up trying to just take back all the Crown Estates.

So they have to somehow sort all that out, then have to respond to the British PM telling them they can’t leave without a deal.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

oh ... I don't know.... increased taxation for the top 1% and no tax increases for those under £80,000 sounds a little bit like redistribution of wealth to me

You seem to have gone off topic, geographically !

Are you in favour ?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I have no idea, that's why going off parties voted for tells us nothing.

So you think more people voted for the SNP but dont want independence,than those that do? if you disagree with that statement you do have an idea dont you?

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you have a problem with better wealth distribution Bob? I dont.

To rectify regional imbalance you would need a Govt committed to rectifying the imbalance and also to creating stronger regional governance.

We do not have such a Govt and the current administration is busily making sure no one will be scrutinising what it does in upcoming trade talks and the impact these talks will have on these regions. MPs will have no voice. Regions and local economies will have no voice. So whilst it’s nice to say worthy things on this forum the reality is there will be no distrubition of wealth because these regions have no power and no voice.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

To rectify regional imbalance you would need a Govt committed to rectifying the imbalance and also to creating stronger regional governance.

We do not have such a Govt and the current administration is busily making sure no one will be scrutinising what it does in upcoming trade talks and the impact these talks will have on these regions. MPs will have no voice. Regions and local economies will have no voice. So whilst it’s nice to say worthy things on this forum the reality is there will be no distrubition of wealth because these regions have no power and no voice.

It maybe irrelevant to says things on a forum, But its how i feel and its what i would like and i will state it if you want. You can put that argument up about anything on this forum? i really dont see what point you are making aside from stating the obvious!

 

[Coatigan]

Couple of questions Coatigan,

Do you see any irony in Sturgeon wanting independence from the UK but objecting to the fact that the UK voted for independence from the EU?

If the UK rejects an independent Scotland's appeal to use the UK pound which I am pretty sure it will, makes sure Scotland takes on its fair share of UK debt, plus removes the subsidies to the Scottish oil industry, moves the Royal Naval Shipyards and bases to England and removes the Barnett formula block grant all of which will definitely happen. Plus possibly puts up trade tariffs on Scottish goods assuming Scotland wont be accepted straight into the EU which to be fair seems unlikely from economic and political reasons. How do you think you will fair economically?

If Scotland has such a strong economic case for independence why does it need the block grant from the UK government?

I appreciate these are all negatives to Scottish independence but they could all occur, and they appear to be factors that when questioned Sturgeon simply ignores and proffers no alternatives proposals.

To answer your first question, Yes. And, No.
To some extent, there is an inherent hypocrisy, but on the other hand, having consistently asked that Scotland be treated equally in the brexit process, and having been percievably denied this, i can see sense in what she claims to represent, as an elected leader of a nation.

It is never black and/or white. I don't agree with everything she claims, just like i don't disagree with everything Boris claims.

To answer your other questions, honestly, i genuinely don't know how it could or might play out, if it ever got that far. And i doubt you or others do too. A long way to go before it becomes even remotely relevant i guess.