Scottish Independence

[blueinsa]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ty-independence-scots-oppose-nicola-sturgeon/

Until the SNP fully cost it and let us all know those costs it wont happen.

They wont do that because they know we cant afford it.

No amount of bluster about oil and single malt is changing that fact.

We need the financial back up of Westminster because the tax take from just over 5 million of us living up here isn't going to pay the bills.

The EU wont be rushing to the rescue either as another taker of a vastly diminished EU budget is not on the agenda.

 

[Ban-jani]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ty-independence-scots-oppose-nicola-sturgeon/
Chris Curtis, political research manager at YouGov, said: "These are concerning times for unionists both north and south of the border with Yes gaining considerable ground on No since 2014."

But 56 per cent oppose Ms Sturgeon's plan for a referendum later this year, with only 34 per cent in favour.

It changes quickly over time, 4 months ago it was 55% in favour of no through the same polling company.

 

[blueparrot]

It changes quickly over time, 4 months ago it was 55% in favour of no through the same polling company.

Yes, think opinion is wholly dependent on how Brexit looks, which is why it shows 51 % in favour at the moment but no majority for a referendum yet, it's fairly volatile.But to say there is no appetite and polling shows no evidence for it is wrong, given a hard Brexit it could swing for yes.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I think you’re wrong on that.

With Brexit out of the way, keeping the UK together will be huge in 2024.

Johnson will do what May did, keep ignoring the SNP and the Tories will continue to be voted in.

Eventually the movement will fizzle out and once it’s polling below 30%, the SNP will cease to ask for it.

I really don’t even think there’s an appetite to leave the UK, the polls aren’t favourable.

So the Tories being regularly returned to government in Westminster will naturally reduce the desire for independence in Scotland. That’s logic at its very finest.

 

[Coatigan]

The longer the Tories claim there won’t be a break of the UK, the longer they’ll get majorities.

Labour will support a referendum to try and form a coalition and well, because they don’t care much for the union and they’ll not get in.

If anyone thinks there will be another IndyRef in the 2020’s, they are sadly mistaken.

Agree with the first two, i doubt there is any reality in the 3rd (purely because you stretched it to the decade, otherwise i'd agree for 2020). 'Sadly' i feel is also unnecessary to the point, purely as it assumes everyone feels the same on it, imho.

I think you’re wrong on that.

With Brexit out of the way, keeping the UK together will be huge in 2024.

Johnson will do what May did, keep ignoring the SNP and the Tories will continue to be voted in.

Eventually the movement will fizzle out and once it’s polling below 30%, the SNP will cease to ask for it.

I really don’t even think there’s an appetite to leave the UK, the polls aren’t favourable.

I honestly think you are wrong on everything there. I appreciate both of us are 'predicting' based on what we see, experience and feel of course. Everything im seeing points otherwise. For now at least. time will tell.

Also worth pointing out, the election 2024 is not as relevant to it as 2021.

 

[Ban-jani]

So the Tories being regularly returned to government in Westminster will naturally reduce the desire for independence in Scotland. That’s logic at its very finest.

Yes. Because once the Brexit dust has settled and the Scottish people of a ‘Yes’ persuasion begin to realise that a vote to leave the UK, won’t return a vote to join the EU, they will vote no.

It’s worrying those so fundamentally against Brexit, fail to realise how much worse than Brexit Scottish independence will be.

 

[Ban-jani]

Agree with the first two, i doubt there is any reality in the 3rd (purely because you stretched it to the decade, otherwise i'd agree for 2020). 'Sadly' i feel is also unnecessary to the point, purely as it assumes everyone feels the same on it, imho.



I honestly think you are wrong on everything there. I appreciate both of us are 'predicting' based on what we see, experience and feel of course. Everything im seeing points otherwise. For now at least. time will tell.

Also worth pointing out, the election 2024 is not as relevant to it as 2021.

I just disagree but that’s fine. If it’s only 51% yes on the eve of Brexit then it’s not a good sign for the independence movement.

Most don’t want a referendum soon and whilst the SNP will make a lot of noise still, I can see their support dropping.

The polls do fluctuate a lot. It’s gone from 56% yes, to 45% yes, to now 51% yes.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Yes. Because once the Brexit dust has settled and the Scottish people of a ‘Yes’ persuasion begin to realise that a vote to leave the UK, won’t return a vote to join the EU, they will vote no.

It’s worrying those so fundamentally against Brexit, fail to realise how much worse than Brexit Scottish independence will be.

Just as worrying those that demand their ‘sovereignty’ by leaving the EU would refuse the same demand from the Scots.
Happy Brexit day mate.

 

[Ban-jani]

Just as worrying those that demand their ‘sovereignty’ by leaving the EU would refuse the same demand from the Scots.
Happy Brexit day mate.

Have I done that?

You do know I voted remain, right?

The Scots literally had a vote in 2014 and voted no in a “once in a generation” vote. Do you want to replay it every 5-6 years until you get what you want?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Have I done that?

You do know I voted remain, right?

The Scots literally had a vote in 2014 and voted no in a “once in a generation” vote. Do you want to replay it every 5-6 years until you get what you want?

Did I say I wanted it?